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From: Alyssa Rosenzweig <alyssa@collabora.com>
To: Liviu Dudau <liviu.dudau@arm.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] Documentation: gpu: Mention the requirements for new properties
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2021 08:56:04 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YMNdZCkyaVoH+WAd@maud> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210611120309.2b5eb4htupv5ss32@e110455-lin.cambridge.arm.com>

> What I'm expected to see in the future is new functionality that gets implemented by
> one hardware vendor and the kernel developers trying to enable that for userspace. It
> could be that the new property is generic, but there is no way of testing that on
> more than one implementation yet, so I'd say we are generous calling it "standard
> property". When the second or third hardware vendor comes along and starts supporting
> that property with their own set of extra requirements, then we can call it
> "standard". Then comes the effort cost: would it be easier to start with a vendor
> property that only the vendor needs to support (and can submit patches into the
> compositors to do so) and when the standard property gets added moves to that, or
> should we start with a generic property that gets implemented by the compositors
> (maybe, but then only one vendor supports it) and then later when we actually
> standardise the property we will have to carry backwards compatibility code in the
> kernel to handle the old behaviour for old userspace? My proposal to Maxime was for
> the former option to be reflected in the documentation, but I would like to hear your
> thoughts.

Just my 2c - if the mainline kernel isn't willing to commit to a feature
for upstream userspace to use, why does that feature belong in the
kernel at all? I don't see much value in exposing hardware for the sake
of exposing it when, practically, Linux userspace /can't/ use it as-is.

Might these vendor properties be used on downstream Android userspaces?
That's not generally an upstream goal to support.

  reply	other threads:[~2021-06-11 12:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-10 17:47 [PATCH v3] Documentation: gpu: Mention the requirements for new properties Maxime Ripard
2021-06-10 18:14 ` Liviu Dudau
2021-06-10 19:09 ` Rodrigo Vivi
2021-06-10 21:00 ` Daniel Vetter
2021-06-11  5:54   ` Maxime Ripard
2021-06-11  6:53     ` Tomi Valkeinen
2021-06-11 15:26       ` Daniel Vetter
2021-06-14 16:14     ` Laurent Pinchart
2021-06-11  8:14   ` Simon Ser
2021-06-11 12:03     ` Liviu Dudau
2021-06-11 12:56       ` Alyssa Rosenzweig [this message]
2021-06-11 13:34         ` Liviu Dudau
2021-06-14 16:23           ` Laurent Pinchart
2021-06-14 14:49       ` Pekka Paalanen
2021-06-14 15:24         ` Liviu Dudau
2021-06-14 16:33           ` Laurent Pinchart
2021-06-15  7:03             ` Pekka Paalanen
2021-06-15  7:15               ` Simon Ser
2021-06-15  9:45                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2021-06-15 10:16                   ` Pekka Paalanen
2021-06-15 12:08                     ` Simon Ser
2021-06-16 20:39                       ` Daniel Vetter
2021-06-16 21:05                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2021-06-17  7:27                       ` Pekka Paalanen
2021-06-17 10:29                         ` Laurent Pinchart
2021-06-17 11:33                           ` Pekka Paalanen
2021-06-17 13:37                             ` Laurent Pinchart
2021-06-18  8:55                               ` Pekka Paalanen
2021-06-18  9:58                                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2021-06-18 11:32                                   ` Pekka Paalanen
2021-06-18 12:19                                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2021-06-21  8:21                                       ` Pekka Paalanen

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