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From: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko@kernel.org>
To: Martin Ross <mross@pobox.com>
Cc: corbet@lwn.net, dhowells@redhat.com, jejb@linux.ibm.com,
	jmorris@namei.org, keyrings@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org, serge@hallyn.com,
	Yael Tiomkin <yaelt@google.com>, Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4] KEYS: encrypted: Instantiate key with user-provided decrypted data
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 16:51:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YfFf8fvsDm8lQJgJ@iki.fi> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YfFe9+XDPDIdSqF1@iki.fi>

On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 04:47:22PM +0200, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 01:26:05PM -0500, Martin Ross wrote:
> > Hi Jarkko,
> > 
> > I have been working with Yael on this project so I thought I might add
> > a bit of background here around the use case that this series of
> > patches is trying to address.
> > 
> > At a high level we are trying to provide users of encryption that have
> > key management hierarchies a better tradeoff between security and
> > availability.  For available and performance reasons master keys often
> > need to be released (or derived/wrapped keys created) outside of a KMS
> > to clients (which may in turn further wrap those keys in a series of
> > levels).  What we are trying to do is provide a mechanism where the
> > wrapping/unwrapping of these keys is not dependent on a remote call at
> > runtime.  e.g.  To unwrap a key if you are using AWS KMS or Google
> > Service you need to make an RPC.  In practice to defend against
> > availability or performance issues, designers end up building their
> > own kms and effectively encrypting everything with a DEK.  The DEK
> > encrypts same set as the master key thereby eliminating the security
> > benefit of keeping the master key segregated in the first place.

Mainly this part (would be enough to explain why it is there).

BR, Jarkko

  reply	other threads:[~2022-01-26 14:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-01-18 18:26 [PATCH v4] KEYS: encrypted: Instantiate key with user-provided decrypted data Martin Ross
2022-01-26 14:47 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-01-26 14:51   ` Jarkko Sakkinen [this message]
2022-01-26 20:56     ` Yael Tiomkin
2022-02-04  6:27       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2021-12-29 21:53 Yael Tiomkin
2021-12-30 10:07 ` Sumit Garg
2021-12-30 13:29   ` Mimi Zohar
2022-01-03  6:51     ` Sumit Garg
2022-01-05 20:18       ` Yael Tiomkin
2022-01-07  5:14         ` Sumit Garg
2022-01-07 12:53           ` Yael Tiomkin
2022-01-07 13:32             ` Sumit Garg
2022-01-13 19:14               ` Yael Tiomkin
2022-01-18  6:46                 ` Sumit Garg
2022-01-05 20:12 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-01-06 18:30   ` Yael Tiomkin
2022-01-08 21:58 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-01-10 16:04 ` Nayna
2022-01-13 19:01   ` Yael Tiomkin
2022-01-20 17:13     ` Nayna

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