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From: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
To: Ziyang Zhang <ZiyangZhang@linux.alibaba.com>
Cc: Ming Lei <ming.lei@redhat.com>, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-block@vger.kernel.org,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	"Richard W . M . Jones" <rjones@redhat.com>,
	Xiaoguang Wang <xiaoguang.wang@linux.alibaba.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Docs: ublk: add ublk document
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 16:00:06 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Yw+9xkKx6cgeiSyN@fedora> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e9df4ed8-a0ea-661f-9947-b18fa1d2145f@linux.alibaba.com>

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On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 02:31:12PM +0800, Ziyang Zhang wrote:
> On 2022/8/30 23:23, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> > On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 12:50:03PM +0800, Ming Lei wrote:
> >> +- UBLK_IO_NEED_GET_DATA
> >> +  ublksrv pre-allocates IO buffer for each IO at default, any new project
> >> +  should use this IO buffer to communicate with ublk driver. But existed
> >> +  project may not work or be changed to in this way, so add this command
> >> +  to provide chance for userspace to use its existed buffer for handling
> >> +  IO.
> > 
> > I find it hard to understand this paragraph. It seems the
> > UBLK_IO_NEED_GET_DATA command allows userspace to set up something
> > related to IO buffers. What exactly does this command do?
> 
> Let me explain UBLK_IO_NEED_GET_DATA since it is designed by myself.
> 
> Without UBLK_IO_NEED_GET_DATA, ublk_drv will copy data from biovecs
> into a pre-allocated buffer(addr is passed with the last COMMIT_AMD_FETCH ioucmd)
> while processing a WRITE request. Please consider two cases:
> 
> (1)  if the backend(such as a dist-storage system using RPC) provides the data
>      buffer, it has to provide the buffer IN ADVANCE(before sending the last
>      COMMIT_AMD_FETCH) without knowing any knowledge of this incoming request.
>      This makes existing backend very hard to adapt to ublk because they may
>      want to know the data length or other attributes of the new request.
> 
> (2) If the backend does not provide the data buffer IN ADVANCE, ublksrv must
>     pre-allocates data buffer. So a additional data copy from ublksrv to
>     the backend(such as a RPC mempool) is unavoidable.
> 
> With UBLK_IO_NEED_GET_DATA, the WRITE request will be firstly issued to ublksrv
> without data copy. Then, backend gets the request and it can allocate data
> buffer and embed its addr inside a new ioucmd. After the kernel driver gets the
> ioucmd, the data copy happens(from biovecs to backend's buffer). Finally,
> the backend gets the request again with data to be written and it can truly
> handle the request.

Thanks for the explanation. Maybe it can be included in the
documentation.

This reminds me of io_uring's IOSQE_BUFFER_SELECT where userspace
provides the kernel with a buffer pool and the kernel selects buffers.
It doesn't require an extra io_uring command roundtrip
(UBLK_IO_NEED_GET_DATA).

Did you already look at IOSQE_BUFFER_SELECT and decide a similar
approach won't work for your use case?

Stefan

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  reply	other threads:[~2022-08-31 20:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-08-28  4:50 [PATCH] Docs: ublk: add ublk document Ming Lei
2022-08-28 12:40 ` Bagas Sanjaya
2022-08-28 15:17   ` Randy Dunlap
2022-08-30  8:53   ` Ming Lei
2022-08-28 15:09 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2022-08-29  3:58   ` Gao Xiang
2022-08-30  9:05   ` Ming Lei
2022-08-29  0:18 ` kernel test robot
2022-08-30 12:14 ` Bagas Sanjaya
2022-08-30 14:13   ` Ming Lei
2022-08-30 15:23 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-08-31  6:31   ` Ziyang Zhang
2022-08-31 20:00     ` Stefan Hajnoczi [this message]
2022-09-01  1:34     ` Ming Lei
2022-09-01  2:47       ` Ziyang Zhang
2022-09-01  0:56   ` Ming Lei
2022-09-01  1:04 ` Jens Axboe
2022-09-01  1:35   ` Ming Lei

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