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From: Dave Martin <Dave.Martin@arm.com>
To: Babu Moger <babu.moger@amd.com>, peternewman@google.com
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v11 00/23] x86/resctrl : Support AMD Assignable Bandwidth Monitoring Counters (ABMC)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2025 17:46:05 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z6zeXby8ajh0ax6i@e133380.arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cover.1737577229.git.babu.moger@amd.com>

Hi there,

On Wed, Jan 22, 2025 at 02:20:08PM -0600, Babu Moger wrote:
> 
> This series adds the support for Assignable Bandwidth Monitoring Counters
> (ABMC). It is also called QoS RMID Pinning feature
> 
> Series is written such that it is easier to support other assignable
> features supported from different vendors.
> 
> The feature details are documented in the  APM listed below [1].
> [1] AMD64 Architecture Programmer's Manual Volume 2: System Programming
> Publication # 24593 Revision 3.41 section 19.3.3.3 Assignable Bandwidth
> Monitoring (ABMC). The documentation is available at
> Link: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=206537
> 
> The patches are based on top of commit
> d361b84d51bfe (tip/master) Merge branch into tip/master: 'x86/tdx'
> 
> # Introduction

[...]

> # Examples
> 
> a. Check if ABMC support is available
> 	#mount -t resctrl resctrl /sys/fs/resctrl/
> 
> 	# cat /sys/fs/resctrl/info/L3_MON/mbm_assign_mode
> 	[mbm_cntr_assign]
> 	default

(Nit: can this be called "mbm_counter_assign"?  The name is already
long, so I wonder whether anything is gained by using a cryptic
abbreviation for "counter".  Same with all the "cntrs" elsewhere.
This is purely cosmetic, though -- the interface works either way.)

> 	ABMC feature is detected and it is enabled.
> 
> b. Check how many ABMC counters are available. 
> 
> 	# cat /sys/fs/resctrl/info/L3_MON/num_mbm_cntrs 
> 	32

Is this file needed?

With MPAM, it is more difficult to promise that the same number of
counters will be available everywhere.

Rather than lie, or report a "safe" value here that may waste some
counters, can we just allow the number of counters to be be discovered
per domain via available_mbm_cntrs?

num_closids and num_rmids are already problematic for MPAM, so it would
be good to avoid any more parameters of this sort from being reported
to userspace unless there is a clear understanding of why they are
needed.

Reporting number of counters per monitoring domain is a more natural
fit for MPAM, as below:

> c. Check how many ABMC counters are available in each domain.
> 
> 	# cat /sys/fs/resctrl/info/L3_MON/available_mbm_cntrs 
> 	0=30;1=30

For MPAM, this seems supportable.  Each monitoring domain will have
some counters, and a well-defined number of them will be available for
allocation at any one time.

> d. Create few resctrl groups.
> 
> 	# mkdir /sys/fs/resctrl/mon_groups/child_default_mon_grp
> 	# mkdir /sys/fs/resctrl/non_default_ctrl_mon_grp
> 	# mkdir /sys/fs/resctrl/non_default_ctrl_mon_grp/mon_groups/child_non_default_mon_grp
> 
> e. This series adds a new interface file /sys/fs/resctrl/info/L3_MON/mbm_assign_control
>    to list and modify any group's monitoring states. File provides single place
>    to list monitoring states of all the resctrl groups. It makes it easier for
>    user space to learn about the used counters without needing to traverse all
>    the groups thus reducing the number of file system calls.
> 
> 	The list follows the following format:
> 
> 	"<CTRL_MON group>/<MON group>/<domain_id>=<flags>"
> 
> 	Format for specific type of groups:
> 
> 	* Default CTRL_MON group:
> 	 "//<domain_id>=<flags>"

[...]

>        Flags can be one of the following:
> 
>         t  MBM total event is enabled.
>         l  MBM local event is enabled.
>         tl Both total and local MBM events are enabled.
>         _  None of the MBM events are enabled
> 
> 	Examples:

[...]

I think that this basically works for MPAM.

The local/total distinction doesn't map in a consistent way onto MPAM,
but this problem is not specific to ABMC.  It feels sensible for ABMC
to be built around the same concepts that resctrl already has elsewhere
in the interface.  MPAM will do its best to fit (as already).

Regarding Peter's use case of assiging multiple counters to a
monitoring group [1], I feel that it's probably good enough to make
sure that the ABMC interface can be extended in future in a backwards
compatible way so as to support this, without trying to support it
immediately.

[1] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CALPaoCjY-3f2tWvBjuaQPfoPhxveWxxCxHqQMn4BEaeBXBa0bA@mail.gmail.com/


For example, if we added new generic "letters" -- say, "0" to "9",
combined with new counter files in resctrlfs, that feels like a
possible approach.  ABMC (as in this series) should just reject such
such assignments, and the new counter files wouldn't exist.

Availability of this feature could also be reported as a distinct mode
in mbm_assign_mode, say "mbm_cntr_generic", or whatever.


A _sketch_ of this follows.  This is NOT a proposal -- the key
question is whether we are confident that we can extend the interface
in this way in the future without breaking anything.

If "yes", then the ABMC interface (as proposed by this series) works as
a foundation to build on.

--8<--

[artists's impression]

# cat /sys/fs/resctrl/info/L3_MON/mbm_assign_mode
 	mbm_cntr_generic
 	[mbm_cntr_assign]
 	default

# echo mbm_cntr_generic >/sys/fs/resctrl/info/L3_MON/mbm_assign_mode
# echo '//0=01;1=23' >/sys/fs/resctrl/info/L3_MON/mbm_assign_control
# echo t >/sys/fs/resctrl/info/L3_MON/mbm_counter0_bytes_type 
# echo l >/sys/fs/resctrl/info/L3_MON/mbm_counter1_bytes_type 
# echo t >/sys/fs/resctrl/info/L3_MON/mbm_counter2_bytes_type 
# echo l >/sys/fs/resctrl/info/L3_MON/mbm_counter3_bytes_type 

...

# cat /sys/fs/resctrl/mon_data/mon_L3_00/mbm_counter1_bytes

etc.

-->8--

Any thoughts on this, Peter?

[...]

Cheers
---Dave

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-02-12 17:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 209+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-01-22 20:20 [PATCH v11 00/23] x86/resctrl : Support AMD Assignable Bandwidth Monitoring Counters (ABMC) Babu Moger
2025-01-22 20:20 ` [PATCH v11 01/23] x86/resctrl: Add __init attribute to functions called from resctrl_late_init() Babu Moger
2025-02-05 22:22   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-19 13:28   ` Dave Martin
2025-02-19 16:53     ` Moger, Babu
2025-02-20 13:29       ` Dave Martin
2025-01-22 20:20 ` [PATCH v11 02/23] x86/cpufeatures: Add support for Assignable Bandwidth Monitoring Counters (ABMC) Babu Moger
2025-01-22 20:20 ` [PATCH v11 03/23] x86/resctrl: Add ABMC feature in the command line options Babu Moger
2025-01-22 20:20 ` [PATCH v11 04/23] x86/resctrl: Consolidate monitoring related data from rdt_resource Babu Moger
2025-01-22 20:20 ` [PATCH v11 05/23] x86/resctrl: Detect Assignable Bandwidth Monitoring feature details Babu Moger
2025-01-22 20:20 ` [PATCH v11 06/23] x86/resctrl: Add support to enable/disable AMD ABMC feature Babu Moger
2025-02-05 22:49   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-06 16:15     ` Moger, Babu
2025-02-06 18:42       ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-06 22:57         ` Moger, Babu
2025-02-06 23:28           ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-21 18:05   ` James Morse
2025-02-21 18:25     ` Reinette Chatre
2025-01-22 20:20 ` [PATCH v11 07/23] x86/resctrl: Introduce the interface to display monitor mode Babu Moger
2025-02-06 18:01   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-06 23:41     ` Moger, Babu
2025-02-21 18:06   ` James Morse
2025-02-21 19:44     ` Moger, Babu
2025-01-22 20:20 ` [PATCH v11 08/23] x86/resctrl: Introduce interface to display number of monitoring counters Babu Moger
2025-02-05 23:17   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-07 17:18     ` Moger, Babu
2025-02-07 18:52       ` Moger, Babu
2025-02-10 18:08         ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-10 20:26           ` Moger, Babu
2025-01-22 20:20 ` [PATCH v11 09/23] x86/resctrl: Introduce mbm_total_cfg and mbm_local_cfg in struct rdt_hw_mon_domain Babu Moger
2025-01-22 20:20 ` [PATCH v11 10/23] x86/resctrl: Remove MSR reading of event configuration value Babu Moger
2025-02-05 23:58   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-06  0:51     ` Luck, Tony
2025-02-06  1:41       ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-06 15:56         ` Luck, Tony
2025-02-21 18:08           ` James Morse
2025-02-19 13:28         ` Dave Martin
2025-02-21 18:08           ` James Morse
2025-02-07 17:30     ` Moger, Babu
2025-02-06  6:24   ` Xin Li
2025-02-06 16:17     ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-07 10:07       ` Xin Li
2025-02-11 19:44         ` Moger, Babu
2025-02-12  8:33           ` Xin Li
2025-01-22 20:20 ` [PATCH v11 11/23] x86/resctrl: Introduce mbm_cntr_cfg to track assignable counters at domain Babu Moger
2025-02-05 23:57   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-07 18:23     ` Moger, Babu
2025-02-10 18:10       ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-19 13:30         ` Dave Martin
2025-02-19 18:07           ` Moger, Babu
2025-02-20 13:33             ` Dave Martin
2025-02-21 18:07   ` James Morse
2025-02-21 18:35     ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-21 20:10       ` Moger, Babu
2025-01-22 20:20 ` [PATCH v11 12/23] x86/resctrl: Introduce interface to display number of free counters Babu Moger
2025-02-06  0:19   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-07 18:59     ` Moger, Babu
2025-02-19 13:31       ` Dave Martin
2025-01-22 20:20 ` [PATCH v11 13/23] x86/resctrl: Add data structures and definitions for ABMC assignment Babu Moger
2025-01-22 20:20 ` [PATCH v11 14/23] x86/resctrl: Implement resctrl_arch_config_cntr() to assign a counter with ABMC Babu Moger
2025-02-19 13:32   ` Dave Martin
2025-02-19 21:00     ` Moger, Babu
2025-02-21 18:06   ` James Morse
2025-02-21 22:24     ` Moger, Babu
2025-01-22 20:20 ` [PATCH v11 15/23] x86/resctrl: Add the functionality to assigm MBM events Babu Moger
2025-02-06  1:05   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-07 21:10     ` Moger, Babu
2025-02-10 18:25       ` Reinette Chatre
2025-01-22 20:20 ` [PATCH v11 16/23] x86/resctrl: Add the functionality to unassigm " Babu Moger
2025-02-06  3:54   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-10 16:23     ` Moger, Babu
2025-02-10 18:30       ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-22  0:36         ` Moger, Babu
2025-01-22 20:20 ` [PATCH v11 17/23] x86/resctrl: Auto assign/unassign counters when mbm_cntr_assign is enabled Babu Moger
2025-02-06 18:03   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-10 17:27     ` Moger, Babu
2025-02-10 18:34       ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-19 13:41   ` Dave Martin
2025-02-19 14:09     ` Peter Newman
2025-02-19 17:55       ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-20 10:35         ` Peter Newman
2025-02-20 13:40           ` Dave Martin
2025-02-20 17:08             ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-21 17:14               ` Dave Martin
2025-02-21 18:23                 ` Moger, Babu
2025-02-21 22:48                   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-21 23:42                     ` Moger, Babu
2025-02-27 11:07                       ` Peter Newman
2025-01-22 20:20 ` [PATCH v11 18/23] x86/resctrl: Report "Unassigned" for MBM events in mbm_cntr_assign mode Babu Moger
2025-02-06 18:04   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-10 17:39     ` Moger, Babu
2025-01-22 20:20 ` [PATCH v11 19/23] x86/resctrl: Introduce the interface to switch between monitor modes Babu Moger
2025-02-06 18:05   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-10 18:54     ` Moger, Babu
2025-01-22 20:20 ` [PATCH v11 20/23] x86/resctrl: Configure mbm_cntr_assign mode if supported Babu Moger
2025-02-21 18:06   ` James Morse
2025-02-24 15:49     ` Moger, Babu
2025-02-24 17:01       ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-24 21:18         ` Moger, Babu
2025-02-24 22:20           ` Reinette Chatre
2025-01-22 20:20 ` [PATCH v11 21/23] x86/resctrl: Update assignments on event configuration changes Babu Moger
2025-01-22 20:20 ` [PATCH v11 22/23] x86/resctrl: Introduce interface to list assignment states of all the groups Babu Moger
2025-02-19 13:53   ` Dave Martin
2025-02-19 21:09     ` Moger, Babu
2025-02-20 15:44       ` Dave Martin
2025-02-20 21:29         ` Moger, Babu
2025-02-21 16:00           ` Dave Martin
2025-02-21 20:10             ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-24 17:17               ` Dave Martin
2025-02-24 17:23                 ` Luck, Tony
2025-02-28 17:50                   ` Dave Martin
2025-03-03 19:30                     ` Luck, Tony
2025-03-05 18:06                       ` Dave Martin
2025-01-22 20:20 ` [PATCH v11 23/23] x86/resctrl: Introduce interface to modify assignment states of " Babu Moger
2025-02-06 18:48   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-10 19:46     ` Moger, Babu
2025-02-19 16:07   ` Dave Martin
2025-02-19 17:43     ` Luck, Tony
2025-02-20 14:57       ` Dave Martin
2025-02-20  0:34     ` Moger, Babu
2025-02-20 15:21       ` Dave Martin
2025-02-20 20:57         ` Moger, Babu
2025-02-21 15:53           ` Dave Martin
2025-02-21 20:16             ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-21 18:07   ` James Morse
2025-02-24 20:49     ` Moger, Babu
2025-02-03 14:54 ` [PATCH v11 00/23] x86/resctrl : Support AMD Assignable Bandwidth Monitoring Counters (ABMC) Peter Newman
2025-02-03 20:49   ` Moger, Babu
2025-02-13 17:51     ` Dave Martin
2025-02-13 18:08       ` Luck, Tony
2025-02-12 17:46 ` Dave Martin [this message]
2025-02-12 23:33   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-12 23:40     ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-13  0:11     ` Luck, Tony
2025-02-13 17:56       ` Dave Martin
2025-02-13 17:37     ` Dave Martin
2025-02-14  6:26       ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-14 18:31         ` Moger, Babu
2025-02-14 19:18           ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-14 19:51             ` Moger, Babu
2025-02-17 10:26             ` Peter Newman
2025-02-17 16:45               ` Moger, Babu
2025-02-18 12:30                 ` Dave Martin
2025-02-18 15:39                   ` Moger, Babu
2025-02-18 18:14                     ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-18 19:32                       ` Moger, Babu
2025-02-18 21:29                         ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-19 12:26                           ` Dave Martin
2025-02-19 12:24                     ` Dave Martin
2025-02-18 16:51                 ` Luck, Tony
2025-02-18 18:27                   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-18 19:08                     ` Luck, Tony
2025-02-18 21:32                       ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-18 17:49               ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-19 11:28                 ` Peter Newman
2025-02-19 12:26                   ` Dave Martin
2025-02-19 17:56                   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-20 14:53                     ` Peter Newman
2025-02-20 18:36                       ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-21 13:12                         ` Peter Newman
2025-02-21 22:43                           ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-25 17:11                             ` Peter Newman
2025-02-25 21:31                               ` Moger, Babu
2025-02-26 13:27                                 ` Peter Newman
2025-02-26 16:25                                   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-26 17:12                                     ` Moger, Babu
2025-03-03 19:16                                   ` Moger, Babu
2025-03-04 16:44                                     ` Peter Newman
2025-03-04 21:49                                       ` Moger, Babu
2025-03-05 10:40                                         ` Peter Newman
2025-03-05 19:34                                           ` Moger, Babu
2025-03-10 22:48                                             ` Moger, Babu
2025-03-10 23:22                                               ` Luck, Tony
2025-03-11  1:44                                                 ` Moger, Babu
2025-03-11  3:51                                                   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-03-11 20:35                                                     ` Moger, Babu
2025-03-11 20:53                                                       ` Luck, Tony
2025-03-12 15:14                                                         ` Moger, Babu
2025-03-12 15:15                                                         ` Reinette Chatre
2025-03-12 15:07                                                       ` Reinette Chatre
2025-03-12 16:03                                                         ` Moger, Babu
2025-03-12 17:14                                                           ` Reinette Chatre
2025-03-12 18:14                                                             ` Moger, Babu
2025-03-13 16:08                                                               ` Reinette Chatre
2025-03-13 20:13                                                                 ` Moger, Babu
2025-03-13 20:36                                                                   ` Luck, Tony
2025-03-14 14:49                                                                     ` Moger, Babu
2025-03-13 21:21                                                                   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-03-14 16:18                                                                     ` Moger, Babu
2025-03-19 18:36                                                                       ` Reinette Chatre
2025-03-20 18:12                                                                         ` Moger, Babu
2025-03-20 22:35                                                                           ` Reinette Chatre
2025-03-21  0:35                                                                             ` Moger, Babu
2025-03-17 16:27                                                                     ` Peter Newman
2025-03-17 23:00                                                                       ` Moger, Babu
2025-03-19 20:53                                                                         ` Reinette Chatre
2025-03-20 20:29                                                                           ` Moger, Babu
2025-02-25 21:41                               ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-20 16:46                     ` Dave Martin
2025-02-20 17:46                       ` Dave Martin
2025-02-20 18:36                         ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-21 16:47                           ` Dave Martin
2025-02-21 22:43                             ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-13 16:19   ` Moger, Babu
2025-02-13 18:18     ` Dave Martin
2025-02-13 18:39       ` Luck, Tony
2025-02-14  6:34         ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-14  7:23           ` Reinette Chatre
2025-02-21 18:07 ` James Morse

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