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From: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
To: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
Cc: Gregory Price <gourry.memverge@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, avagin@gmail.com,
	peterz@infradead.org, luto@kernel.org, krisman@collabora.com,
	tglx@linutronix.de, corbet@lwn.net, shuah@kernel.org,
	arnd@arndb.de, Gregory Price <gregory.price@memverge.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v15 2/4] syscall user dispatch: untag selector addresses before access_ok
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2023 11:57:20 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZC1UEK43yOsXKvi4@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZCxfdC+v4v6EEy4v@arm.com>

On Tue, Apr 04, 2023 at 06:33:40PM +0100, Catalin Marinas wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 04, 2023 at 12:45:06PM +0200, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> > doesn't this mean that access_ok() on arm64 could use
> > untagged_addr(addr) unconditionally without any security risk?
> 
> Yes, from the security perspective, but there are ABI implications.
> 
> Currently untagged_addr() in access_ok() is conditional on the user
> process enabling the tagged address ABI (prctl() that sets a TIF flag).
> The reason we did not enable this by default was a slight fear of
> breaking the ABI since tagged pointers were not allowed at the syscall
> boundary. It turned out that the fear was justified since the
> unconditional untagged_addr() in brk() broke user space (see commit
> dcde237319e6 "mm: Avoid creating virtual address aliases in
> brk()/mmap()/mremap()"; the user was doing an sbrk(PY_SSIZE_T_MAX) and
> bits 56 and higher were ignored by the kernel).
> 
> I'd be ok with untagging the address unconditionally in the arm64
> access_ok() introduce another unaliased_access_ok() (I'm not good at
> naming functions) that preserves the non-tagged behaviour and we use it
> in brk/mmap/mremap().

Actually, I'm wrong here. There's no access_ok() check on the brk()
path. The unconditional untagged_addr() prior to dcde237319e6 messed up
the comparison between the old and new brk limit and shrank the heap
space for a process.

So, relaxing access_ok() to always do the untagging should not affect
the brk/mmap/mremap() cases.

-- 
Catalin

  reply	other threads:[~2023-04-05 10:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-30 21:21 [PATCH v15 0/4] Checkpoint Support for Syscall User Dispatch Gregory Price
2023-03-30 21:21 ` [PATCH v15 1/4] syscall_user_dispatch: helper function to operate on given task Gregory Price
2023-03-30 21:21 ` [PATCH v15 2/4] syscall user dispatch: untag selector addresses before access_ok Gregory Price
2023-03-30 22:40   ` Catalin Marinas
2023-04-04 10:45     ` Oleg Nesterov
2023-04-04 17:33       ` Catalin Marinas
2023-04-05 10:57         ` Catalin Marinas [this message]
2023-04-05 16:02           ` Oleg Nesterov
2023-03-30 21:21 ` [PATCH v15 3/4] ptrace,syscall_user_dispatch: checkpoint/restore support for SUD Gregory Price
2023-03-30 21:21 ` [PATCH v15 4/4] selftest,ptrace: Add selftest for syscall user dispatch config api Gregory Price

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