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From: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
To: "Petr Tesařík" <petr@tesarici.cz>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 RESEND 7/7] swiotlb: per-device flag if there are dynamically allocated buffers
Date: Mon, 15 May 2023 17:28:38 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZGJdtmP13pv06xDH@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230515120054.0115a4eb@meshulam.tesarici.cz>

(some of you replies may have been filtered to various of my mailboxes,
depending on which lists you cc'ed; replying here)

On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 12:00:54PM +0200, Petr Tesařík wrote:
> On Mon, 15 May 2023 10:48:47 +0200
> Petr Tesařík <petr@tesarici.cz> wrote:
> > On Sun, 14 May 2023 19:54:27 +0100
> > Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com> wrote:
> > > Now, thinking about the list_head access and the flag ordering, since it
> > > doesn't matter, you might as well not bother with the flag at all and
> > > rely on list_add() and list_empty() ordering vs the hypothetical 'blah'
> > > access. Both of these use READ/WRITE_ONCE() for setting
> > > dma_io_tlb_dyn_slots.next. You only need an smp_wmb() after the
> > > list_add() and an smp_rmb() before a list_empty() check in
>                       ^^^^^^^^^
> Got it, finally. Well, that's exactly something I don't want to do.
> For example, on arm64 (seeing your email address), smp_rmb() translates
> to a "dsb ld" instruction. I would expect that this is more expensive
> than a "ldar", generated by smp_load_acquire().

It translates to a dmb ishld which is on par with ldar (dsb is indeed a
lot more expensive but that's not generated here).

> > > is_swiotlb_buffer(), no dma_iotlb_have_dyn variable.  
> > 
> > Wait, let me check that I understand you right. Do you suggest that I
> > convert dma_io_tlb_dyn_slots to a lockless list and get rid of the
> > spinlock?
> > 
> > I'm sure it can be done for list_add() and list_del(). I'll have
> > to think about list_move().
> 
> Hm, even the documentation of llist_empty() says that it is "not
> guaranteed to be accurate or up to date". If it could be, I'm quite
> sure the authors would have gladly implemented it as such.

It doesn't but neither does your flag. If you want a guarantee, you'd
need locks because a llist_empty() on its own can race with other
llist_add/del_*() that may not yet be visible to a CPU at exactly that
moment. BTW, the llist implementation cannot delete a random element, so
not sure this is suitable for your implementation (it can only delete
the first element or the whole list).

I do think you need to change your invariants and not rely on an
absolute list_empty() or some flag:

P0:
	list_add(paddr);
	WRITE_ONCE(blah, paddr);

P1:
	paddr = READ_ONCE(blah);
	list_empty();

Your invariant (on P1) should be blah == paddr => !list_empty(). If
there is another P2 removing paddr from the list, this wouldn't work
(nor your flag) but the assumption is that a correctly written driver
that still has a reference to paddr doesn't use it after being removed
from the list (i.e. it doesn't do a dma_unmap(paddr) and still continue
to use this paddr for e.g. dma_sync()).

For such invariant, you'd need ordering between list_add() and the
write of paddr (smp_wmb() would do). On P1, you need an smp_rmb() before
list_empty() since the implementation does a READ_ONCE only).

You still need the locks for list modifications and list traversal as I
don't see how you can use the llist implementation with random element
removal.


There is another scenario to take into account on the list_del() side.
Let's assume that there are other elements on the list, so
list_empty() == false:

P0:
	list_del(paddr);
	/* the memory gets freed, added to some slab or page free list */
	WRITE_ONCE(slab_free_list, __va(paddr));

P1:
	paddr = __pa(READ_ONCE(slab_free_list));/* re-allocating paddr freed on P0 */
	if (!list_empty()) {			/* assuming other elements on the list */
		/* searching the list */
		list_for_each() {
			if (pos->paddr) == __pa(vaddr))
				/* match */
		}
	}

On P0, you want the list update to be visible before the memory is freed
(and potentially reallocated on P1). An smp_wmb() on P0 would do. For
P1, we don't care about list_empty() as there can be other elements
already. But we do want any list elements reading during the search to
be ordered after the slab_free_list reading. The smp_rmb() you'd add for
the case above would suffice.

-- 
Catalin

  reply	other threads:[~2023-05-15 16:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-05-09  9:18 [PATCH v2 RESEND 0/7] Allow dynamic allocation of software IO TLB bounce buffers Petr Tesarik
2023-05-09  9:18 ` [PATCH v2 RESEND 1/7] swiotlb: Use a helper to initialize swiotlb fields in struct device Petr Tesarik
2023-05-09  9:18 ` [PATCH v2 RESEND 2/7] swiotlb: Move code around in preparation for dynamic bounce buffers Petr Tesarik
2023-05-09  9:18 ` [PATCH v2 RESEND 3/7] dma-mapping: introduce the DMA_ATTR_MAY_SLEEP attribute Petr Tesarik
2023-05-09  9:18 ` [PATCH v2 RESEND 4/7] swiotlb: Dynamically allocated bounce buffers Petr Tesarik
2023-05-15 19:43   ` Michael Kelley (LINUX)
2023-05-16  6:13     ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-05-16  6:39       ` Petr Tesařík
2023-05-16 17:59         ` Catalin Marinas
2023-05-17  6:35           ` Petr Tesařík
2023-05-17  6:56             ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-05-17  7:32               ` Petr Tesařík
2023-05-17  9:41               ` Catalin Marinas
2023-05-17  9:58                 ` Petr Tesařík
2023-05-17 11:08                   ` Catalin Marinas
2023-05-17 11:27             ` Petr Tesařík
2023-05-23  9:54               ` Catalin Marinas
2023-05-23 11:53                 ` Petr Tesařík
2023-05-16  6:16     ` Petr Tesařík
2023-05-09  9:18 ` [PATCH v2 RESEND 5/7] swiotlb: Add a boot option to enable dynamic " Petr Tesarik
2023-05-09  9:18 ` [PATCH v2 RESEND 6/7] drm: Use DMA_ATTR_MAY_SLEEP from process context Petr Tesarik
2023-05-09  9:18 ` [PATCH v2 RESEND 7/7] swiotlb: per-device flag if there are dynamically allocated buffers Petr Tesarik
2023-05-14 18:54   ` Catalin Marinas
2023-05-15  8:48     ` Petr Tesařík
2023-05-15 10:00       ` Petr Tesařík
2023-05-15 16:28         ` Catalin Marinas [this message]
2023-05-16  7:55           ` Petr Tesařík
2023-05-16 11:22             ` Catalin Marinas

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