From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (lindbergh.monkeyblade.net [23.128.96.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 30787847B for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2023 08:29:41 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="XEUH4Q4/" Received: from mail-pl1-x633.google.com (mail-pl1-x633.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::633]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 10EC7D42; Fri, 3 Nov 2023 01:29:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pl1-x633.google.com with SMTP id d9443c01a7336-1cc0d0a0355so14872905ad.3; Fri, 03 Nov 2023 01:29:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1699000175; x=1699604975; darn=vger.kernel.org; h=in-reply-to:content-disposition:mime-version:references:message-id :subject:cc:to:from:date:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=rTlctj8hnqNzhCMN/+l01lQ+Uns5l1/j387sOUjthe0=; b=XEUH4Q4/p9C1GlsHiLH+YEBPQIbnDLEZrtiVM68inksIZvBhBRC/Q5WtWRHptur9QK EwVx/nd5mKH66bTfY3ZWrh8JB3VGHJ2dsgKVoKePlTOHS1XLBuoxcXY+PAsl6dkLuOB7 HceSuLNh031bdlsvjlG3I6T4gSV/ex9mQFE50n3GW/zMPVVJwjACtcyT3ao7LjXw9K9t F700PaWKjrLZBysxtmjvpt7jdMukeAZmuJ94PYg9g2CJN/YShEBju2ibNgVe2VM8t+RD Nw7vykWkIrsGOKikkFQXGDV6OAZ4bw3kjAiiwHBNVCYh59je200cjpCWUPAo8Rs0Kvl7 1o1Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1699000175; x=1699604975; h=in-reply-to:content-disposition:mime-version:references:message-id :subject:cc:to:from:date:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=rTlctj8hnqNzhCMN/+l01lQ+Uns5l1/j387sOUjthe0=; b=rnLuRUK7M3jfrmjpdPtniYJeEuWXzXN11KSqqguShRaX2X/yt72prY9aQp1pu/Lxqb PFlFzRmCsK7Fto9KP5+A4svcAJnvqC+/q9VpaQOxYVDXdxvNpVOy+ccSUGJYIQZI/nLm FGN6YZMHFc+1KE503jr6tD6vn+6et4HVgxinHnXLOJWS7GQJkTDkcnqwgH78PkRQpEKA 1JGaoM975DlD/vd8FqZpA9unMbUq97/6jf5tyAAE29pT51+pKmj8ibDGL4s5ritsRNz0 sH+2dn8aUTmGpG4Jio2rH4gKTojkmBogd38cCx7Ra/5l6dR35h6VEX5xU9Ht9W7J4a2V 6OXQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YyZ/IdfLOo3i5llkiQB6HNrLTz2mPSvprZCDyF3Kq7pyyI+HZBz X1vuE9VbTGzfwTyRVUVpo1E= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGC6Bo8fPehYZXxcFAuJeXflkdKtLj9x94EL042EHE5PQHVhBM4mee8VnRRhKQMBFkZZWP5HQ== X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:c78c:b0:1c9:d8b6:e7ad with SMTP id w12-20020a170902c78c00b001c9d8b6e7admr16745633pla.56.1699000175482; Fri, 03 Nov 2023 01:29:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from debian.me ([103.131.18.64]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ix20-20020a170902f81400b001c75d7f2597sm902888plb.141.2023.11.03.01.29.34 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 03 Nov 2023 01:29:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by debian.me (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BBC6091D73FF; Fri, 3 Nov 2023 15:29:32 +0700 (WIB) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2023 15:29:32 +0700 From: Bagas Sanjaya To: Jonathan Corbet , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Linux Documentation Cc: Thomas Gleixner , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Akira Yokosawa , Stanislav Fomichev , David Vernet , Miguel Ojeda , James Seo , Daniel Vetter , Federico Vaga , Carlos Bilbao Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC RESEND 0/4] Documentation: Web fonts for kernel documentation Message-ID: References: <20231102123225.32768-1-bagasdotme@gmail.com> <874ji48658.fsf@meer.lwn.net> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-doc@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="I1jQczm8fw5Fu96M" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <874ji48658.fsf@meer.lwn.net> --I1jQczm8fw5Fu96M Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Nov 02, 2023 at 10:35:47AM -0600, Jonathan Corbet wrote: > So my immediate response to this is pretty uniformly negative. >=20 > - If you don't like serif, tweaking conf.py is easy enough without > pushing it on everybody else. As local commit of course. >=20 > - I'm not thrilled about adding a bunch of binary font data to the > kernel, and suspect a lot of people would not feel that the bloat is > worth it. MediaWiki project takes the same stance regarding web fonts: > What about using webfonts? > > Webfonts is a system to deliver a font to users who do not have it instal= led. > This involves having a user's browser download a font we provide, which c= auses > additional resources to load and would have a negative impact on site > performance (i.e. how fast pages load). This is particularly true for old= er > browsers. In the future we may explore using webfonts, but for now this u= pdate > provides greater readability and consistency while not degrading page load > times. Indeed, it's possible to achieve the same effect without resorting to web fonts (as MediaWiki did), see [1]. >=20 > - The licensing of the fonts is not fully free. That was being discussed on the original RFC thread. >=20 > There's so much we can do to improve our documentation and access to it; > messing around with web fonts seems - to me, at least - pretty low on > the list. >=20 > I suppose I can ask people at the kernel summit session in a couple > weeks to see if others feel differently. OK, I want to hear about their opinion. Thanks. [1]: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Typography_refresh --=20 An old man doll... just what I always wanted! - Clara --I1jQczm8fw5Fu96M Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHUEABYKAB0WIQSSYQ6Cy7oyFNCHrUH2uYlJVVFOowUCZUSvbAAKCRD2uYlJVVFO o+UHAQCt9yzSppTguWjvALTOz9ee0uHu5vMdzTTRmA8X+gPlJAEAsUjhBKMibYVc oRCK/CmbYw1pojwttDiRNoFrDXjvwww= =ahSS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --I1jQczm8fw5Fu96M--