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From: Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>
To: Reinette Chatre <reinette.chatre@intel.com>
Cc: "babu.moger@amd.com" <babu.moger@amd.com>,
	"Yu, Fenghua" <fenghua.yu@intel.com>,
	Peter Newman <peternewman@google.com>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Shuah Khan <skhan@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"x86@kernel.org" <x86@kernel.org>,
	Shaopeng Tan <tan.shaopeng@fujitsu.com>,
	James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>,
	Jamie Iles <quic_jiles@quicinc.com>,
	Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@infradead.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-doc@vger.kernel.org" <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	"patches@lists.linux.dev" <patches@lists.linux.dev>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5] x86/resctrl: Add event choices for mba_MBps
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2023 13:08:00 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZW4/sE4Af0p3jl07@agluck-desk3> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0285bbec-7152-4f54-94a3-45ce265a3ebe@intel.com>

On Mon, Dec 04, 2023 at 12:03:23PM -0800, Reinette Chatre wrote:
> Hi Tony,
> 
> On 12/4/2023 11:45 AM, Luck, Tony wrote:
> >> Yes. I saw the thread. Even then I feel having two similar options can
> >> cause confusion. I feel it is enough just to solve the original problem.
> >> Giving more options to a corner cases is a overkill in my opinion.
> > 
> > The "original" problem was systems without "local" bandwidth event. I
> > wanted to give a way for users of mba_MBps to still have some way to
> > use it (assuming that "total" bandwidth event was present).
> > 
> > Reinette suggested that some people might want to use "total", even
> > on systems that support "local". I firmly agree with that.  It is easy to
> > construct scenarios where most bandwidth is to a remote node. using
> > "local" event will do nothing to throttle in these case. I'm not at all sure
> > why "local" event was picked. There's nothing in the LKML threads to
> > give clues.
> > 
> > I proposed a mount option "total" as a modifier to be used in conjunction
> > with "mba_MBps". Reinette said it was too generic. Her suggestion was
> > to add "mba_MBps_total" to be used instead of "mba_MBps".
> 
> No, it cannot be used instead of "mba_MBps". My intention was for it to be
> in addition to existing "mba_MBps" since taking "mba_MBps" away would be
> considered breaking user space ABI.

I was unclear. The mba_MBps option must remain as legacy ABI. My
"instead of" was intended to convey that a user wanting total bandwidth
would use:

# mount -t resctrl -o mba_MBps_total resctrl /sys/fs/resctrl

rather than the new option being a modifier and requiring both
the legacy option and the modifier like this:

# mount -t resctrl -o mba_MBps,mba_MBps_total resctrl /sys/fs/resctrl

which seems overly verbose.

> 
> Even so ...
> 
> > 
> > Is that where I should have gone, instead of "mba_MBps={local|total}"?
> 
> While I did propose "mba_MBps_total" (in addition to "mba_MBps") I do
> recognize your comment that a new key of mba_MBps_event does give more
> flexibility if different events become available in future. Emphasis is
> on "different" since I do not believe the parsing can support multiple
> events and thus mba_MBps_event cannot be treated as a general bucket for all
> mba_sc options, just different events guiding the feedback loop.
> 
> "mba_MBps" must be kept and having it continue to use local bw as default,
> but total bw on systems that do not support local bw seems appropriate,
> (which is what this patch does).

So we defintely have:

"mba_MBps" - defaults to local, on systems without local may switch to
total if that is available. Should this switch get a pr_info()? Or just happen
silently (as I've done in patches so far).

and need to come to agreement on which of these to implement:

A) "mba_MBps_total" - forces use of total. Fails the mount if total is not
   available.

B) "mba_MBps={local|total)" forces use of chosen event, fails if event
is unavailable.

C) Something else.

D) Don't provide any way to force use of total event.

> 
> Reinette

-Tony

  reply	other threads:[~2023-12-04 21:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-24 18:16 [PATCH] x86/resctrl: mba_MBps: Fall back to total b/w if local b/w unavailable Tony Luck
2023-10-24 18:24 ` Luck, Tony
2023-10-24 23:20 ` Moger, Babu
2023-10-24 23:43   ` Luck, Tony
2023-10-25 16:01     ` Moger, Babu
2023-10-25 12:46 ` Peter Newman
2023-10-25 19:38   ` Tony Luck
2023-10-25 20:39     ` Moger, Babu
2023-10-25 20:42       ` Moger, Babu
2023-10-25 20:52         ` Tony Luck
2023-10-25 23:41           ` Moger, Babu
2023-10-26  0:07             ` Luck, Tony
2023-10-25 21:06     ` Peter Newman
2023-10-26 13:55       ` Moger, Babu
2023-10-26 16:09         ` Luck, Tony
2023-10-26 17:19           ` Moger, Babu
2023-10-26 19:54             ` Tony Luck
2023-10-25 23:50 ` [PATCH v2] " Tony Luck
2023-10-26 20:02   ` [PATCH v3] " Tony Luck
2023-10-26 22:40     ` Moger, Babu
2023-10-26 22:59       ` Luck, Tony
2023-11-03 21:43     ` Reinette Chatre
2023-11-03 21:50       ` Reinette Chatre
2023-11-07 21:15       ` Tony Luck
2023-11-08 21:49         ` Reinette Chatre
2023-11-09 21:27           ` Luck, Tony
2023-11-15 16:09             ` Reinette Chatre
2023-11-15 21:54               ` Tony Luck
2023-11-16 19:48                 ` Reinette Chatre
2023-11-28 23:14     ` [PATCH v4] x86/resctrl: Add mount option to pick total MBM event Tony Luck
2023-11-29 23:48       ` Reinette Chatre
2023-12-01 20:45         ` Tony Luck
2023-12-01 21:47       ` [PATCH v5] x86/resctrl: Add event choices for mba_MBps Tony Luck
2023-12-04 16:24         ` Moger, Babu
2023-12-04 18:16           ` Tony Luck
2023-12-04 19:04             ` Moger, Babu
2023-12-04 19:45               ` Luck, Tony
2023-12-04 20:03                 ` Reinette Chatre
2023-12-04 21:08                   ` Tony Luck [this message]
2023-12-04 22:15                     ` Reinette Chatre
2023-12-04 22:51                       ` Reinette Chatre
2023-12-07 19:56         ` [PATCH v6 0/3] x86/resctrl: mba_MBps enhancements Tony Luck
2023-12-07 19:56           ` [PATCH v6 1/3] x86/resctrl: Add mount option "mba_MBps_event" Tony Luck
2023-12-08 18:17             ` Peter Newman
2023-12-08 21:57               ` Tony Luck
2023-12-08 22:09                 ` Peter Newman
2023-12-08 22:37                   ` Luck, Tony
2023-12-12 17:54                   ` Reinette Chatre
2023-12-12 20:02                     ` Tony Luck
2023-12-12 21:42                       ` Reinette Chatre
2023-12-13  1:07                         ` Luck, Tony
2023-12-08 18:29             ` Moger, Babu
2023-12-08 21:50               ` Tony Luck
2023-12-12 18:59             ` Reinette Chatre
2023-12-07 19:56           ` [PATCH v6 2/3] x86/resctrl: Use total bandwidth for mba_MBps option when local isn't present Tony Luck
2023-12-08 18:26             ` Peter Newman
2023-12-07 19:56           ` [PATCH v6 3/3] x86/resctrl: Add new "mba_MBps_event" mount option to documentation Tony Luck
2023-12-08 19:22             ` Peter Newman
2023-12-12 18:59             ` Reinette Chatre

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