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From: Danilo Krummrich <dakr@kernel.org>
To: Daniel Almeida <daniel.almeida@collabora.com>
Cc: "Benno Lossin" <benno.lossin@proton.me>,
	"Jonathan Corbet" <corbet@lwn.net>,
	"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Alex Gaynor" <alex.gaynor@gmail.com>,
	"Wedson Almeida Filho" <wedsonaf@gmail.com>,
	"Boqun Feng" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@samsung.com>,
	"Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/5] doc: rust: create safety standard
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2024 21:20:15 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Zpq8b0I2kYeAh2qm@pollux> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5E1B12C1-1ACD-4A26-AC89-CC32327B51F5@collabora.com>

On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 03:09:09PM -0300, Daniel Almeida wrote:
> Hi Danilo,
> 
> 
> > 
> > We can easily build abstractions that ensure that the address a driver is trying
> > to access is mapped properly, such that you can't have accidential out-of-bound
> > accesses.
> > 
> > Those can be implemented by the corresponding subsystem / bus that the resource
> > originates from.
> > 
> > In fact, we already have abstractions for that on the way, a generic I/O
> > abstraction [1] as base implementation and a specific abstraction for PCI bars
> > [2].
> > 
> > Of course, if the MMIO region comes from let's say the device tree, we still
> > have to assume that the information in the DT is correct, but the driver does
> > not need unsafe code for this.
> > 
> > [1] https://lore.kernel.org/rust-for-linux/20240618234025.15036-8-dakr@redhat.com/
> > [2] https://lore.kernel.org/rust-for-linux/20240618234025.15036-11-dakr@redhat.com/
> > 
> 
> Thanks for pointing that out. So from this:
> 
> +impl<const SIZE: usize> Io<SIZE> {
> + ///
> + ///
> + /// # Safety
> + ///
> + /// Callers must ensure that `addr` is the start of a valid I/O mapped memory region of size
> + /// `maxsize`.
> + pub unsafe fn new(addr: usize, maxsize: usize) -> Result<Self> {
> + if maxsize < SIZE {
> + return Err(EINVAL);
> + }
> +
> + Ok(Self { addr, maxsize })
> + }
> 
> It looks like one can do this:
> 
> let io = unsafe { Io::new(<some address>, <some size>)? }; 
> let value = io.readb(<some offset>)?;
> 
> Where <some address> has already been mapped for <some size> at an earlier point?

Yes, but (at least for full Rust drivers) this shouldn't be called by the driver
directly, but the corresponding subsystem / bus should provide a `Devres`
wrapped `Io` instance, like the PCI abstraction in [2] does.

Example:

```
// Get a `Devres` managed PCI bar mapping
let bar: Devres<pci::Bar> = pdev.iomap_region(0);

let reg = bar.try_readl(0x42)?;
```
You can also let the driver assert that the requested resource must have a
minimum size:

```
// Only succeeds if the PCI bar has at least a size of 0x1000
let bar = pdev.iomap_region_size::<0x1000>(0);

// Note: `readl` does not need to return a `Result`, since the boundary checks
// can be done on compile time due to the driver specified minimal mapping size.
let reg = bar.readl(0x42);
```

> 
> That’s fine, as I said, if an abstraction makes sense, I have nothing
> against it. My point is more that we shouldn’t enact a blanket ban on
> 'unsafe' in drivers because corner cases do exist. But it’s good to know that this
> particular example I gave does not apply.
> 
> 
> >> 
> >> If a driver is written partially in Rust, and partially in C, and it gets a
> >> pointer to some kcalloc’d memory in C, should It be forbidden to use unsafe
> >> in order to build a slice from that pointer? How can you possibly design a
> >> general abstraction for something that is, essentially, a driver-internal API?
> > 
> > That sounds perfectly valid to me.
> > 
> 
> 
> — Daniel
> 
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2024-07-19 19:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-07-17 22:12 [RFC PATCH 0/5] Introduce the Rust Safety Standard Benno Lossin
2024-07-17 22:12 ` [RFC PATCH 1/5] doc: rust: create safety standard Benno Lossin
2024-07-18  4:45   ` Greg KH
2024-07-24 19:13     ` Benno Lossin
2024-07-25  4:57       ` Greg KH
2024-07-18 12:20   ` Alice Ryhl
2024-07-24 19:36     ` Benno Lossin
2024-07-19 16:24   ` Daniel Almeida
2024-07-19 16:46     ` Alice Ryhl
2024-07-19 17:10     ` Danilo Krummrich
2024-07-19 18:09       ` Daniel Almeida
2024-07-19 19:20         ` Danilo Krummrich [this message]
2024-07-19 17:28     ` Miguel Ojeda
2024-07-19 18:18       ` Daniel Almeida
2024-07-19 17:56     ` Miguel Ojeda
2024-07-24 20:31     ` Benno Lossin
2024-07-24 21:20       ` Miguel Ojeda
2024-07-24 21:28         ` Benno Lossin
2024-08-08 13:01       ` Daniel Almeida
2024-08-08 13:08         ` Miguel Ojeda
2024-07-19 22:11   ` Boqun Feng
2024-07-24 22:01     ` Benno Lossin
2024-07-20  7:45   ` Dirk Behme
2024-07-17 22:12 ` [RFC PATCH 2/5] doc: rust: safety standard: add examples Benno Lossin
2024-07-19 16:28   ` Daniel Almeida
2024-07-19 16:36   ` Daniel Almeida
2024-07-25  7:47     ` Benno Lossin
2024-08-08 13:10       ` Daniel Almeida
2024-08-08 14:33         ` Benno Lossin
2024-07-17 22:12 ` [RFC PATCH 3/5] doc: rust: safety standard: add guarantees and type invariants Benno Lossin
2024-07-17 22:12 ` [RFC PATCH 4/5] doc: rust: safety standard: add safety requirements Benno Lossin
2024-07-17 22:13 ` [RFC PATCH 5/5] doc: rust: safety standard: add justifications Benno Lossin

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