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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Zack Rusin <zack.rusin@broadcom.com>
Cc: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org,  Doug Covelli <doug.covelli@broadcom.com>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	 Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	 Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	x86@kernel.org,  "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>, Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>,
	 Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>,
	Isaku Yamahata <isaku.yamahata@intel.com>,
	 Joel Stanley <joel@jms.id.au>,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	 linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] KVM: x86: Add support for VMware guest specific hypercalls
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2024 14:32:31 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Zy0__5YB9F5d0eZn@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CABQX2QMR=Nsn23zojFdhemR7tvGUz6_UM8Rgf6WLsxwDqoFtxg@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 04, 2024, Zack Rusin wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 4, 2024 at 5:13 PM Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 30, 2024 at 4:35 AM Zack Rusin <zack.rusin@broadcom.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > VMware products handle hypercalls in userspace. Give KVM the ability
> > > to run VMware guests unmodified by fowarding all hypercalls to the
> > > userspace.
> > >
> > > Enabling of the KVM_CAP_X86_VMWARE_HYPERCALL_ENABLE capability turns
> > > the feature on - it's off by default. This allows vmx's built on top
> > > of KVM to support VMware specific hypercalls.
> >
> > Hi Zack,
> 
> Hi, Paolo.
> 
> Thank you for looking at this.
> 
> > is there a spec of the hypercalls that are supported by userspace? I
> > would like to understand if there's anything that's best handled in
> > the kernel.
> 
> There's no spec but we have open headers listing the hypercalls.
> There's about a 100 of them (a few were deprecated), the full
> list starts here:
> https://github.com/vmware/open-vm-tools/blob/739c5a2f4bfd4cdda491e6a6f6869d88c0bd6972/open-vm-tools/lib/include/backdoor_def.h#L97
> They're not well documented, but the names are pretty self-explenatory.

At a quick glance, this one needs to be handled in KVM:

  BDOOR_CMD_VCPU_MMIO_HONORS_PAT

and these probably should be in KVM:

  BDOOR_CMD_GETTIME
  BDOOR_CMD_SIDT
  BDOOR_CMD_SGDT
  BDOOR_CMD_SLDT_STR
  BDOOR_CMD_GETTIMEFULL
  BDOOR_CMD_VCPU_LEGACY_X2APIC_OK
  BDOOR_CMD_STEALCLOCK

and these maybe? (it's not clear what they do, from the name alone)

  BDOOR_CMD_GET_VCPU_INFO
  BDOOR_CMD_VCPU_RESERVED

> > If we allow forwarding _all_ hypercalls to userspace, then people will
> > use it for things other than VMware and there goes all hope of
> > accelerating stuff in the kernel in the future.

To some extent, that ship has sailed, no?  E.g. do KVM_XEN_HVM_CONFIG with
KVM_XEN_HVM_CONFIG_INTERCEPT_HCALL set, and userspace can intercept pretty much
all hypercalls with very few side effects.

> > So even having _some_ checks in the kernel before going out to
> > userspace would keep that door open, or at least try.
> 
> Doug just looked at this and I think I might have an idea on how to
> limit the scope at least a bit: if you think it would help we could
> limit forwarding of hypercalls to userspace only to those that that
> come with a BDOOR_MAGIC (which is 0x564D5868) in eax. Would that help?

I don't think it addresses Paolo's concern (if I understood Paolo's concern
correctly), but it would help from the perspective of allowing KVM to support
VMware hypercalls and Xen/Hyper-V/KVM hypercalls in the same VM.

I also think we should add CONFIG_KVM_VMWARE from the get-go, and if we're feeling
lucky, maybe even retroactively bury KVM_CAP_X86_VMWARE_BACKDOOR behind that
Kconfig.  That would allow limiting the exposure to VMware specific code, e.g. if
KVM does end up handling hypercalls in-kernel.  And it might deter abuse to some
extent.

  reply	other threads:[~2024-11-07 22:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-30  3:34 [PATCH 0/3] KVM: x86: Small changes to support VMware guests Zack Rusin
2024-10-30  3:34 ` [PATCH 1/3] KVM: x86: Allow enabling of the vmware backdoor via a cap Zack Rusin
2024-10-30  3:34 ` [PATCH 2/3] KVM: x86: Add support for VMware guest specific hypercalls Zack Rusin
2024-11-04 22:13   ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-11-05  4:59     ` Zack Rusin
2024-11-07 22:32       ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2024-11-08  5:03         ` Zack Rusin
2024-11-09 18:20           ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-11-09 21:11             ` Doug Covelli
2024-11-11 18:49               ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-11-11 20:55                 ` Doug Covelli
2024-11-12 17:44                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-11-12 20:44                     ` Doug Covelli
     [not found]                       ` <CABgObfZrTyft-3vqMz5w0ZiAhp-v6c32brgftynZGJO8OafrdA@mail.gmail.com>
2024-11-13 16:04                         ` Sean Christopherson
2024-11-13 16:24                         ` Doug Covelli
2024-11-13 17:59                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-11-14 15:45                             ` Doug Covelli
2024-12-12 12:19                               ` Doug Covelli
2024-12-18  3:43                                 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-01-07 17:09                                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-02-03 16:35                                     ` Doug Covelli
2025-02-03 18:21                                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-02-03 18:35                                         ` Doug Covelli
2025-02-03 19:41                                           ` Sean Christopherson
2025-02-03 19:46                                             ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-02-03 19:53                                               ` Sean Christopherson
2025-02-03 20:35                                                 ` Doug Covelli
2024-11-09 16:44         ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-10-30  3:34 ` [PATCH 3/3] KVM: selftests: x86: Add a test for KVM_CAP_X86_VMWARE_HYPERCALL Zack Rusin

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