From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mx.treblig.org (mx.treblig.org [46.235.229.95]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6CA51239E60; Fri, 25 Jul 2025 20:32:45 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=46.235.229.95 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1753475568; cv=none; b=u+GGyt7OuhYxksqEFASE1/8OjBzH8XHGq+rDu1A6VoSTyFXFjn5LESNY/sDkbzah5JINyyyD/BjLahaIipZ89hW5hAW8+3yoBliPxSo7Wn2FTjD8S/uSYdQzo0DRjsN0rx01wCDLh+CZ2twOaozISlNk3p9DBhaoqDlFfYg3qlY= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1753475568; c=relaxed/simple; bh=7aJC6uaWLGEw1lnbfhHpk8IA2Tli6jwxMfjrL4em60Y=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To; b=FpBqeEol/bGIOul4cg1RqY4ykdnkiAouvaJMp15tyKz3vVoAd/R/IIupdcWapN5e7Rhuuk6YZHDimCql/2lTn5SLrrRP3Wu2zVMnV9fvORwOO0LVrtmxwbCAFxGmqpnOI5LLQSvKSscJTl3qhifLExvAlE/tdEXA+AEaMhhJ8s0= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=treblig.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=treblig.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=treblig.org header.i=@treblig.org header.b=rzwomizJ; arc=none smtp.client-ip=46.235.229.95 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=treblig.org Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=treblig.org Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=treblig.org header.i=@treblig.org header.b="rzwomizJ" DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=treblig.org ; s=bytemarkmx; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Subject:From:Date:From :Subject; bh=hRwiYsJBZAA+T2dCXWEfTMbwkhCHo5/rLbx54F03w7Y=; b=rzwomizJNlEXyOVd +qFw49Ij7AcMZlaIVveJmSUbR18deas0t9dyFhr9wX+Qzgpd3j6fsP2WEgkArHioC2QRBHUpyNBlr 4033Vy1O0qpwVVsXHw1mgD7vSmpuXcWU8Ul0YKV2ZPyoRfX6327dwhNvXRye984aESBJGQxnrMoPJ Xq4ZtRpXwcYmthnjFPw/iYyvcl0PPbm5UORvmk560RPnsj7s6Yj4NHQJmvt62fd/EAirRV5Uo1bkn ODTKHkt0kw4QOV31n4UX4SEKUCIrP1qhzCDLoLrj+x3CdOPofAwF3ddq+1DB96JCSOxyp/Zl+gUan C4O6lWbRantKRL5dJw==; Received: from dg by mx.treblig.org with local (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1ufP5l-000gsa-2h; Fri, 25 Jul 2025 20:32:33 +0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2025 20:32:33 +0000 From: "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" To: Jakub Kicinski Cc: Steven Rostedt , Sasha Levin , workflows@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kees@kernel.org, konstantin@linuxfoundation.org, corbet@lwn.net, josh@joshtriplett.org Subject: Re: [RFC 0/2] Add AI coding assistant configuration to Linux kernel Message-ID: References: <20250725175358.1989323-1-sashal@kernel.org> <20250725114114.3b13e7b1@kernel.org> <20250725150046.3adb556c@gandalf.local.home> <20250725125906.1db40a7f@kernel.org> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-doc@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20250725125906.1db40a7f@kernel.org> X-Chocolate: 70 percent or better cocoa solids preferably X-Operating-System: Linux/6.1.0-34-amd64 (x86_64) X-Uptime: 20:26:01 up 89 days, 4:39, 1 user, load average: 0.02, 0.01, 0.00 User-Agent: Mutt/2.2.12 (2023-09-09) * Jakub Kicinski (kuba@kernel.org) wrote: > On Fri, 25 Jul 2025 15:00:46 -0400 Steven Rostedt wrote: > > On Fri, 25 Jul 2025 11:41:14 -0700 > > Jakub Kicinski wrote: > > > On Fri, 25 Jul 2025 13:53:56 -0400 Sasha Levin wrote: > > > > Co-developed-by: Claude claude-opus-4-20250514 > > > > --- > > > > Documentation/power/opp.rst | 2 +- > > > > 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-) > > > > > > I think we should suggest that the tag is under --- ? > > > It's only relevant during the review. Once the patch is committed > > > whether the code was organic or generated by Corp XYZ's Banana AI > > > is just free advertising.. > > > > What's the difference between that and others using their corporate email? > > I even add (Google) to my SoB to denote who is paying me to do the work. > > To be clear, it's not my main point, my main point is that > the information is of no proven use right now. As long as > committer follows the BKP of adding Link: https://patch.msgid.link/... > we can find the metadata later. > > We never found the need to attach the exact version of smatch / sparse > / cocci that found the bug or "wrote" a patch. Let us not overreact to > the AI tools. People have done it (using inconsistent tags and comments) for things like Coverity for years; some people worry a lot about AI, some not at all; adding a tag: a) Lets the people who worry keep of track what our mechanical overlords are doing. b) Reviewers who are wary of slop get to cast a careful eye. c) Gives the tools (and their developers) suitable credit. After all machines need love too. > > Also, I would argue that it would be useful in the change log as if there's > > a bug in the generated code, you know who or *what* to blame. Especially if > > there is a pattern to be found. > > This touches on explainability of AI. Perhaps the metadata would be > interesting for XAI research... not sure that's enough to be lugging > those tags in git history. We carry lots more random stuff in commit messages! 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