From: Sasha Levin <sashal@kernel.org>
To: dan.j.williams@intel.com
Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Jiri Kosina <kosina@gmail.com>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
corbet@lwn.net, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
workflows@vger.kernel.org, josh@joshtriplett.org,
kees@kernel.org, konstantin@linuxfoundation.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] Add agent coding assistant configuration to Linux kernel
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2025 19:30:41 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aJFCoewqTIXlhnJk@lappy> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <689139fe23f49_55f0910076@dwillia2-xfh.jf.intel.com.notmuch>
On Mon, Aug 04, 2025 at 03:53:50PM -0700, dan.j.williams@intel.com wrote:
>Steven Rostedt wrote:
>> On Tue, 5 Aug 2025 00:03:29 +0200 (CEST)
>> Jiri Kosina <kosina@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Al made a very important point somewhere earlier in this thread.
>> >
>> > The most important (from the code quality POV) thing is -- is there a
>> > person that understands the patch enough to be able to answer questions
>> > (coming from some other human -- most likely reviewer/maintainer)?
>> >
>> > That's not something that'd be reflected in DCO, but it's very important
>> > fact for the maintainer's decision process.
>>
>> Perhaps this is what needs to be explicitly stated in the SubmittingPatches
>> document.
>>
>> I know we can't change the DCO, but could we add something about our policy
>> is that if you submit code, you certify that you understand said code, even
>> if (especially) it was produced by AI?
>
>It is already the case that human developed code is not always
>understood by the submitter (i.e. bugs, or see occasions of "no
>functional changes intended" commits referenced by "Fixes:"). It is also
>already the case that the speed at which code is applied has a component
>of maintainer's trust in the submitter to stick around and address
>issues or work with the community.
>
>AI allows production of plausible code in higher volumes, but it does
>not fundamentally change the existing dynamic of development velocity vs
>trust.
Right: I think that the issue Jiri brought up is a human problem, not a
tooling problem.
We can try and tackle a symptom, but it's a losing war.
>So an expectation that is worth clarifying is that mere appearance of
>technical correctness is not sufficient to move a proposal forward. The
>details of what constitutes sufficient trust are subsystem, maintainer,
>or even per-function specific. This is a nuanced expectation that human
>submitters struggle, let alone AI.
>
>"Be prepared to declare a confidence interval in every detail of a patch
>series, especially any AI generated pieces."
Something along the lines of a Social Credit system for the humans
behind the keyboard? :)
Do we want to get there? Do we not?
--
Thanks,
Sasha
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-08-04 23:30 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-07-27 19:57 [PATCH 0/4] Add agent coding assistant configuration to Linux kernel Sasha Levin
2025-07-27 19:57 ` [PATCH 1/4] agents: add unified agent coding assistant configuration Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 2:37 ` Kees Cook
2025-07-28 4:43 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 5:16 ` Kees Cook
2025-07-28 5:39 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-30 22:06 ` Kevin Hilman
2025-07-30 23:47 ` Sasha Levin
2025-08-01 20:53 ` Rob Herring
2025-08-08 18:07 ` Kevin Hilman
2025-07-27 19:58 ` [PATCH 2/4] agents: add core development references Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 2:39 ` Kees Cook
2025-07-28 5:00 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 5:10 ` Kees Cook
2025-07-28 5:59 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 6:18 ` Kees Cook
2025-07-28 12:35 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-30 16:25 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-30 17:35 ` Al Viro
2025-07-30 18:29 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-30 18:18 ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-07-30 18:41 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 4:24 ` Greg KH
2025-07-28 4:52 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 5:02 ` Kees Cook
2025-07-27 19:58 ` [PATCH 3/4] agents: add coding style documentation and rules Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 2:40 ` Kees Cook
2025-07-28 5:10 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 5:21 ` Kees Cook
2025-07-28 6:03 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-30 9:31 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-07-30 14:48 ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-07-30 15:10 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-27 19:58 ` [PATCH 4/4] agents: add legal requirements and agent attribution guidelines Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 2:43 ` Kees Cook
2025-08-05 22:08 ` Jeff Johnson
2025-08-05 23:11 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-08-05 23:33 ` Sasha Levin
2025-08-06 14:12 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2025-08-06 21:53 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 7:58 ` [PATCH 0/4] Add agent coding assistant configuration to Linux kernel Vlastimil Babka
2025-07-28 9:27 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-28 10:37 ` Greg KH
2025-07-28 10:47 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-28 13:05 ` Sasha Levin
2025-08-04 9:23 ` Michal Hocko
2025-08-04 9:41 ` Michal Hocko
2025-08-04 13:25 ` Sasha Levin
2025-08-04 22:03 ` Jiri Kosina
2025-08-04 22:14 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-04 22:30 ` Jiri Kosina
2025-08-04 22:53 ` dan.j.williams
2025-08-04 23:30 ` Sasha Levin [this message]
2025-08-04 23:39 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-08-05 13:29 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-28 11:57 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 8:42 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-28 10:35 ` Greg KH
2025-07-28 10:52 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-28 12:45 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 13:13 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-28 13:23 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 13:28 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-30 15:27 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-30 15:34 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-30 16:18 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-30 16:33 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-07-30 16:36 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-30 16:59 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-30 17:12 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-30 17:23 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-30 17:32 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-30 18:03 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-30 18:18 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-30 18:04 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-30 19:16 ` Mark Brown
2025-07-30 17:25 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-30 17:34 ` Mark Brown
2025-07-30 17:36 ` Kees Cook
2025-08-04 10:20 ` Jiri Kosina
2025-07-30 17:05 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-30 17:46 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-30 17:59 ` Al Viro
2025-07-30 18:10 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-30 18:24 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-30 18:59 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-30 19:10 ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-07-30 19:40 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-30 19:51 ` Al Viro
2025-07-30 19:27 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-31 0:02 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-07-30 16:40 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2025-07-30 17:10 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-30 17:20 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-30 17:33 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-30 17:12 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-30 17:39 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2025-07-30 17:51 ` Kees Cook
2025-07-30 16:58 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-28 10:56 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-08-12 18:13 ` Nicolas Frattaroli
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