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From: Sasha Levin <sashal@kernel.org>
To: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
Cc: Pasha Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@soleen.com>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, corbet@lwn.net, ljs@kernel.org,
	Liam.Howlett@oracle.com, vbabka@kernel.org, rppt@kernel.org,
	surenb@google.com, mhocko@suse.com, skhan@linuxfoundation.org,
	jackmanb@google.com, hannes@cmpxchg.org, ziy@nvidia.com,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Sasha Levin <sashal@nvidia.com>,
	Sanif Veeras <sveeras@nvidia.com>,
	"Claude:claude-opus-4-7" <noreply@anthropic.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC 4/7] mm: add page consistency checker implementation
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2026 19:34:37 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aev-DS4YTp5soVPd@laps> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <12985b32-88b3-47ab-8292-2e0ec6f5fbae@kernel.org>

On Fri, Apr 24, 2026 at 08:28:14PM +0200, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
>On 4/24/26 17:06, Pasha Tatashin wrote:
>> On 04-24 10:49, Sasha Levin wrote:
>>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2026 at 04:25:41PM +0200, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
>>>>
>>>> One bitmap that covers all sparse memory available at boot.
>>>>
>>>> Conclusion: Just horrible.
>>>
>>> Depends on who's looking at the code :)
>>>
>>> I picked it for auditability: covering the whole range with two
>>> memblock_alloc'd arrays means the only thing on the lookup path is the bitmap
>>> words themselves, which is what the dual-bitmap invariant already checks.
>>
>> The issue is that we are going back in time to a flat memory,
>> without NUMA or hotplug support. We need an abstraction that avoids
>> allocating this memory in enormous contiguous chunks, as thit approach
>> will not work on modern hardware.
>>
>>>
>>> We could go with per-section bitmaps which will fix the waste but pull
>>> mem_section[] into the trust boundary, so we'd have to start validating it too.
>>
>> Page-ext provides all of these capabilities, but as you described in the
>> cover letter, it does not meet your requirements. Therefore, I believe
>> a new abstraction layer is needed.
>
>If we decided that we want this (and I am not convinced), we definitely want
>something that supports sparsity and, in particular, something that support
>memory hotplug.

Makes sense. Let me take a few days and see if I can find some middle ground
here.

-- 
Thanks,
Sasha

  reply	other threads:[~2026-04-24 23:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-04-24 14:00 [RFC 0/7] mm: dual-bitmap page allocator consistency checker Sasha Levin
2026-04-24 14:00 ` [RFC 1/7] mm: add generic dual-bitmap consistency primitives Sasha Levin
2026-04-24 14:00 ` [RFC 2/7] mm: add page consistency checker header Sasha Levin
2026-04-24 14:00 ` [RFC 3/7] mm: add Kconfig options for page consistency checker Sasha Levin
2026-04-24 14:00 ` [RFC 4/7] mm: add page consistency checker implementation Sasha Levin
2026-04-24 14:25   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-24 14:49     ` Sasha Levin
2026-04-24 15:06       ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-04-24 18:28         ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-24 23:34           ` Sasha Levin [this message]
2026-04-25  5:30             ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-25 16:38               ` Sasha Levin
2026-04-24 18:26       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-24 14:00 ` [RFC 5/7] mm/page_alloc: integrate page consistency hooks Sasha Levin
2026-04-24 14:00 ` [RFC 6/7] Documentation/mm: add page consistency checker documentation Sasha Levin
2026-04-24 14:00 ` [RFC 7/7] mm/page_consistency: add KUnit tests for dual-bitmap primitives Sasha Levin
2026-04-24 15:34 ` [RFC 0/7] mm: dual-bitmap page allocator consistency checker Matthew Wilcox
2026-04-24 15:53   ` Sasha Levin
2026-04-24 15:42 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-04-24 16:25   ` Sasha Levin
2026-04-25  5:51     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-25 16:09       ` Sasha Levin

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