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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Ackerley Tng <ackerleytng@google.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 24/46] KVM: guest_memfd: Make in-place conversion the default
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2026 17:41:58 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ajx5Vrz9ma--hrGH@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEvNRgHYTFnHbsLLgMTCSitmnp1_j9Pomikm9qmpGTh1w8YE5Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jun 24, 2026, Ackerley Tng wrote:
> Yan Zhao <yan.y.zhao@intel.com> writes:
> > With gmem_in_place_conversion=true, userspace can create guest_memfd without the
> > MMAP flag. In such cases, shared memory is allocated from different backends.
> > This means this module parameter only enables per-gmem memory attribute and does
> > not guarantee that gmem in-place conversion will actually occur.

KVM module params are pretty much always about what KVM supports, not what is
guaranteed to happen.

  - enable_mmio_caching doesn't guarantee there will actually be MMIO SPTEs,
    because maybe the guest never accesses emulated MMIO.
  - enable_pmu doesn't guarantee VMs will get a PMU, because userspace may elect
    not to advertise one.
  - and so on and so forth...

Yes, there's a small mental jump to get from "KVM supports in-place conversion"
to "I need to set memory attributes on the guest_memfd instance, not the VM",
but I don't see that as a big hurdle, certainly not in the long term.  And once
the VMM code is written, I really do think most people are going to care about
whether or not KVM supports in-place conversion, not where PRIVATE is tracked.

> > To avoid confusion, could we rename this module parameter to something more
> > accurate, such as gmem_memory_attribute?
> 
> I asked Sean about this after getting some fixes off list. Sean said
> gmem_in_place_conversion is named for a host admin to use, and something
> like gmem_memory_attributes is too much implementation details for the
> admin.
> 
> Sean, would you reconsider since Yan also asked? If the admin compiled
> the kernel knowing what CONFIG_KVM_VM_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES means, then the
> admin would also be able to use a param like gmem_memory_attributes?

No, because it's not all memory attributes, it's very specifically the PRIVATE
attribute that will get moved to guest_memfd.  I don't want to pick a name that
will become stale and confusing when RWX attributes come along.  The RWX bits
will be per-VM, while PRIVATE will be per-guest_memfd.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-06-25  0:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 128+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-06-19  0:31 [PATCH v8 00/46] guest_memfd: In-place conversion support Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-06-19  0:31 ` [PATCH v8 01/46] KVM: guest_memfd: Introduce per-gmem attributes, use to guard user mappings Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-06-22  9:08   ` Binbin Wu
2026-06-23  1:37     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-06-23  2:14       ` Binbin Wu
2026-06-24  0:09       ` Ackerley Tng
2026-06-19  0:31 ` [PATCH v8 02/46] KVM: Rename KVM_GENERIC_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES to KVM_VM_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-06-23  2:48   ` Binbin Wu
2026-06-19  0:31 ` [PATCH v8 03/46] KVM: Move KVM_VM_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES config definition to x86 Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-06-23  2:48   ` Binbin Wu
2026-06-19  0:31 ` [PATCH v8 04/46] KVM: Decouple kvm_has_arch_private_mem from CONFIG_KVM_VM_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-06-19  8:10   ` Fuad Tabba
2026-06-23  2:51   ` Binbin Wu
2026-06-24  0:13     ` Ackerley Tng
2026-06-24 15:12       ` Sean Christopherson
2026-06-19  0:31 ` [PATCH v8 05/46] KVM: Make CONFIG_KVM_VM_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES selectable Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-06-19  8:12   ` Fuad Tabba
2026-06-19 12:51   ` Julian Braha
2026-06-23  0:16     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-06-24  0:14       ` Ackerley Tng
2026-06-19  0:31 ` [PATCH v8 06/46] KVM: Enumerate support for PRIVATE memory iff kvm_arch_has_private_mem is defined Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-06-23  3:10   ` Binbin Wu
2026-06-19  0:31 ` [PATCH v8 07/46] KVM: Rename memory attribute APIs to prepare for in-place gmem conversion Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-06-19  8:16   ` Fuad Tabba
2026-06-23  4:55   ` Binbin Wu
2026-06-24 13:44     ` Ackerley Tng
2026-06-19  0:31 ` [PATCH v8 08/46] KVM: Provide generic interface for checking memory private/shared status Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-06-19  8:19   ` Fuad Tabba
2026-06-19  8:21     ` Fuad Tabba
2026-06-19  9:57       ` Suzuki K Poulose
2026-06-24 14:18         ` Ackerley Tng
2026-06-19  0:31 ` [PATCH v8 09/46] KVM: guest_memfd: Introduce function to check GFN " Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-06-19  8:25   ` Fuad Tabba
2026-06-23  5:25   ` Binbin Wu
2026-06-24 14:38     ` Ackerley Tng
2026-06-25  1:39       ` Binbin Wu
2026-06-19  0:31 ` [PATCH v8 10/46] KVM: guest_memfd: Wire up core private/shared attribute interfaces Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-06-19  8:34   ` Fuad Tabba
2026-06-23  6:15   ` Binbin Wu
2026-06-24 20:44     ` Ackerley Tng
2026-06-19  0:31 ` [PATCH v8 11/46] KVM: Consolidate private memory and guest_memfd ifdeffery in kvm_host.h Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-06-19 11:02   ` Fuad Tabba
2026-06-23  6:19   ` Binbin Wu
2026-06-19  0:31 ` [PATCH v8 12/46] KVM: guest_memfd: Only prepare folios for private pages Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-06-23  6:48   ` Binbin Wu
2026-06-19  0:31 ` [PATCH v8 13/46] KVM: guest_memfd: Add base support for KVM_SET_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES2 Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-06-19  9:25   ` Fuad Tabba
2026-06-23  0:22     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-06-23  8:20       ` Fuad Tabba
2026-06-24 21:03         ` Ackerley Tng
2026-06-23  7:38   ` Binbin Wu
2026-06-24 21:10     ` Ackerley Tng
2026-06-19  0:31 ` [PATCH v8 14/46] KVM: guest_memfd: Ensure pages are not in use before conversion Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-06-19  0:31 ` [PATCH v8 15/46] KVM: guest_memfd: Call arch invalidate hooks on conversion Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-06-19 10:09   ` Fuad Tabba
2026-06-23  1:15     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-06-23  8:58       ` Fuad Tabba
2026-06-24 17:46       ` Ackerley Tng
2026-06-24 22:15         ` Suzuki K Poulose
2026-06-19  0:31 ` [PATCH v8 16/46] KVM: guest_memfd: Return early if range already has requested attributes Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-06-19  0:31 ` [PATCH v8 17/46] KVM: guest_memfd: Advertise KVM_SET_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES2 ioctl Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-06-19 10:35   ` Fuad Tabba
2026-06-23  9:14   ` Binbin Wu
2026-06-19  0:31 ` [PATCH v8 18/46] KVM: guest_memfd: Handle lru_add fbatch refcounts during conversion safety check Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-06-23  9:48   ` Binbin Wu
2026-06-24 17:01     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-06-24 16:57   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-06-24 22:25     ` Ackerley Tng
2026-06-25  0:35       ` Sean Christopherson
2026-06-19  0:31 ` [PATCH v8 19/46] KVM: guest_memfd: Use actual size for invalidation in kvm_gmem_release() Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-06-19 10:46   ` Fuad Tabba
2026-06-19  0:31 ` [PATCH v8 20/46] KVM: guest_memfd: Determine invalidation filter from memory attributes Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-06-19  0:31 ` [PATCH v8 21/46] KVM: guest_memfd: Zero page while getting pfn Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-06-19 10:51   ` Fuad Tabba
2026-06-23  8:56   ` Yan Zhao
2026-06-24 22:30     ` Ackerley Tng
2026-06-19  0:31 ` [PATCH v8 22/46] KVM: SEV: Make 'uaddr' parameter optional for KVM_SEV_SNP_LAUNCH_UPDATE Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-06-19 11:01   ` Fuad Tabba
2026-06-24 22:31     ` Ackerley Tng
2026-06-19  0:32 ` [PATCH v8 23/46] KVM: TDX: Make source page optional for KVM_TDX_INIT_MEM_REGION Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-06-19 11:09   ` Fuad Tabba
2026-06-22  7:18     ` Yan Zhao
2026-06-23  1:24     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-06-22  6:57   ` Yan Zhao
2026-06-23  1:22     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-06-23  5:16       ` Yan Zhao
2026-06-23  8:41         ` Yan Zhao
2026-06-24 22:31           ` Sean Christopherson
2026-06-24 23:00             ` Ackerley Tng
2026-06-25  2:25               ` Yan Zhao
2026-06-19  0:32 ` [PATCH v8 24/46] KVM: guest_memfd: Make in-place conversion the default Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-06-22  4:53   ` Yan Zhao
2026-06-25  0:05     ` Ackerley Tng
2026-06-25  0:41       ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2026-06-25  1:51         ` Yan Zhao
2026-06-25  1:21       ` Yan Zhao
2026-06-24 18:57   ` Fuad Tabba
2026-06-19  0:32 ` [PATCH v8 25/46] KVM: guest_memfd: Enable INIT_SHARED on guest_memfd for x86 Coco VMs Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-06-19  0:32 ` [PATCH v8 26/46] KVM: selftests: Create gmem fd before "regular" fd when adding memslot Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-06-19  0:32 ` [PATCH v8 27/46] KVM: selftests: Rename guest_memfd{,_offset} to gmem_{fd,offset} Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-06-19  0:32 ` [PATCH v8 28/46] KVM: selftests: Add support for mmap() on guest_memfd in core library Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-06-24 19:07   ` Fuad Tabba
2026-06-19  0:32 ` [PATCH v8 29/46] KVM: selftests: Add selftests global for guest memory attributes capability Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-06-24 19:26   ` Fuad Tabba
2026-06-19  0:32 ` [PATCH v8 30/46] KVM: selftests: Add helpers for calling ioctls on guest_memfd Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-06-24 19:26   ` Fuad Tabba
2026-06-19  0:32 ` [PATCH v8 31/46] KVM: selftests: Test basic single-page conversion flow Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-06-24 19:45   ` Fuad Tabba
2026-06-19  0:32 ` [PATCH v8 32/46] KVM: selftests: Test conversion flow when INIT_SHARED Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-06-24 19:55   ` Fuad Tabba
2026-06-19  0:32 ` [PATCH v8 33/46] KVM: selftests: Test conversion precision in guest_memfd Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-06-19  0:32 ` [PATCH v8 34/46] KVM: selftests: Test conversion before allocation Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-06-19  0:32 ` [PATCH v8 35/46] KVM: selftests: Convert with allocated folios in different layouts Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-06-19  0:32 ` [PATCH v8 36/46] KVM: selftests: Test that truncation does not change shared/private status Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-06-19  0:32 ` [PATCH v8 37/46] KVM: selftests: Test that shared/private status is consistent across processes Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-06-19  0:32 ` [PATCH v8 38/46] KVM: selftests: Add helpers to pin pages with CONFIG_GUP_TEST Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-06-19  0:32 ` [PATCH v8 39/46] KVM: selftests: Test conversion with elevated page refcount Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-06-19  0:32 ` [PATCH v8 40/46] KVM: selftests: Reset shared memory after hole-punching Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-06-19  0:32 ` [PATCH v8 41/46] KVM: selftests: Provide function to look up guest_memfd details from gpa Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-06-19  0:32 ` [PATCH v8 42/46] KVM: selftests: Provide common function to set memory attributes Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-06-19  0:32 ` [PATCH v8 43/46] KVM: selftests: Check fd/flags provided to mmap() when setting up memslot Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-06-19  0:32 ` [PATCH v8 44/46] KVM: selftests: Make TEST_EXPECT_SIGBUS thread-safe Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-06-19  0:32 ` [PATCH v8 45/46] KVM: selftests: Update private_mem_conversions_test to mmap() guest_memfd Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-06-19  0:32 ` [PATCH v8 46/46] KVM: selftests: Update private memory exits test to work with per-gmem attributes Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-06-19 12:28 ` [PATCH v8 00/46] guest_memfd: In-place conversion support Garg, Shivank
2026-06-25  0:19   ` Ackerley Tng
2026-06-23  2:39 ` Xiaoyao Li
2026-06-25  0:19   ` Ackerley Tng

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