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From: "Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)" <ljs@kernel.org>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
Cc: Nimrod Oren <noren@nvidia.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] mm/khugepaged: cap min_free_kbytes recommendation at 1 GiB
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2026 10:34:32 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <apVKf8FgTG-l2EU_@gremlin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <apVHXmSljK8HrIuA@tiehlicka>

On Mon, Aug 31, 2026 at 11:20:30AM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Mon 31-08-26 10:56:35, Nimrod Oren wrote:
> > When THP is enabled, set_recommended_min_free_kbytes() may raise
> > min_free_kbytes using a heuristic that scales with pageblock_nr_pages.
> > With MIGRATE_PCPTYPES equal to 3, the formula accounts for 11
> > pageblocks for every eligible populated zone before capping the result
> > at 5% of low memory.
> >
> > This is reasonable when a pageblock is 2 MiB, as on common 4 KiB page
> > configurations, but scales poorly with larger base page sizes. With
> > the default arm64 pageblock sizes, the contribution per eligible zone
> > before the 5% cap is:
> >
> >   4 KiB pages:   2 MiB pageblock,   22 MiB per zone
> >  16 KiB pages:  32 MiB pageblock,  352 MiB per zone
> >  64 KiB pages: 512 MiB pageblock,  5.5 GiB per zone
> >
> > Consequently, min_free_kbytes can reach excessive and unwanted levels.
> >
> > Add an absolute 1 GiB cap to the recommendation, in addition to the
> > existing percentage cap. This bounds the automatic recommendation to a
> > sane value on systems with large pageblocks while preserving existing
> > behavior for typical systems with 2 MiB pageblocks.
>
> I would argue that the whole model of increasing min_free_kbytes for THP
> is wrong. This will trigger memory reclaim sooner and make the THP
> availability more likely but this was at times where we didn't have
> pro-active compaction and many changes in the compaction. So is this
> actually needed in general resp. only large pageblocks systems?

Ohh even better :)

I did find it strange that we increased accordingly.

I'm more than happy to see this just die altogether if people agree that's
a sensible way forward...

>
> --
> Michal Hocko
> SUSE Labs

--
Cheers, Lorenzo

  reply	other threads:[~2026-08-31  9:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-08-31  7:56 [PATCH v2] mm/khugepaged: cap min_free_kbytes recommendation at 1 GiB Nimrod Oren
2026-08-31  8:47 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-31  8:57   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-31  9:00 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-31  9:00 ` Lance Yang
2026-08-31 15:01   ` Zi Yan
2026-08-31  9:20 ` Michal Hocko
2026-08-31  9:34   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM) [this message]
2026-08-31 15:00     ` Zi Yan
2026-08-31 15:59       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-31 17:08         ` Nimrod Oren

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