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From: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko@kernel.org>
To: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 2/3] KEYS: Replace assoc_array with rhashtable
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2026 14:44:12 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <au8dHKGIv2tr_Xom@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20261107032551.GA1990@sol>

On Fri, Nov 06, 2026 at 07:25:51PM -0800, Eric Biggers wrote:
> I don't think the retry loop is actually sufficient or desirable here
> (though it would be very rare for it to be reached).  It gets reached
> when there are too many elements in one rhashtable chain.  However,
> we're already pre-hashing with SipHash, and the rhashtable level hash is
> passed only the 32-bit SipHash.  Suppose we reach this case because the
> SipHash values collided: then rhashtable's rehashing would never reduce
> the chain length, and the -EBUSY would last forever.
> 
> I think the right solution is to just set '.insecure_elasticity = true'
> in the rhashtable_params, to disable the chain length checks.  Those
> checks make no sense when we're using SipHash anyway.

Thanks, this is a valid suggestion. I  was thinking about having maximum
retries but this is much better idea. I'll address this as you proposed.


> 
> Then the retry loop would not be needed.
> 
> (And even for rhashtable users who aren't using SipHash, like
> fs/verity/, hard-failing insertions if the hash chains gets too long
> seems wrong.  I mean, imagine if the kernel started refusing to do file
> operations if one of the hash chains in the VFS hash tables happened to
> get too long...  But I guess rhashtable was designed for towards
> networking users who are able to just drop the data without much issue.
> Plus it predates SipHash existing.)
> 
> - Eric

Br, Jarkko

  reply	other threads:[~2026-11-07 12:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-11-05  3:13 [PATCH v5 0/3] KEYS: Replace assoc_array with rhashtable Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-11-05  3:13 ` [PATCH v5 1/3] KEYS: Introduce keyring_is_empty() Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-11-05  3:14 ` [PATCH v5 2/3] KEYS: Replace assoc_array with rhashtable Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-11-06  8:21   ` Hannes Reinecke
2026-11-06  9:05     ` Eric Biggers
2026-11-06 13:02       ` Hannes Reinecke
2026-11-06 19:05         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-11-06 19:19           ` Eric Biggers
2026-11-06 19:30             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-11-06 19:41               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-11-06 15:08     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-11-07  3:25   ` Eric Biggers
2026-11-07 12:44     ` Jarkko Sakkinen [this message]
2026-11-05  3:14 ` [PATCH v5 3/3] lib: Remove assoc_array Jarkko Sakkinen

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