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From: Cristian Marussi <cristian.marussi@arm.com>
To: Jonathan Cameron <jonathan.cameron@oss.qualcomm.com>
Cc: Cristian Marussi <cristian.marussi@arm.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v15 00/35] Introduce SCMI Telemetry support
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2026 10:15:16 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <avRANKPwp-r-QSR4@pluto> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20261110163809.000070d6@oss.qualcomm.com>

On Tue, Nov 10, 2026 at 04:38:09PM -0800, Jonathan Cameron wrote:
> > The upcoming SCMI v4.0 specification [0] introduces a new SCMI protocol
> > dedicated to System Telemetry.
> > 
> 
> Hi Cristian,

Hi Jonathan,

thanks for your time...I sincerely hope you're travelling abroad on some
remote timezone given the time these reviews came in :D

> 
> So, the main issue here is pretty much summarized by:
> 
>  28 files changed, 12801 insertions(+), 99 deletions(-)
> (obviously there are tests etc, but it's still > 10k lines)
>

Usually I try to implement the complete set of features of a new protocol
but indeed this new Telemetry thing is huge by itself so it became quickly
overwhelming to review...imagine to code and test it.

> There are relatively few reviewers who would even consider taking that on.
> I foolishly thought it wouldn't be too bad (and I review a lot of code).
> By about 3/4 of the way though, probably much earlier, I know the quality
> of review went down considerably. Honestly it was probably a waste of
> time continuing but I'm stubborn like that.
> 
> So, unless you have a path to bribing or sweet talking various folk to
> deal with reviewing this with each having to set aside multiple days
> to do it, likely repeating for a couple of versions yet, I think you've
> got to figure out out how to make the first patch set more manageable.
> Probably don't split it up as much as the mpam or CCA folk have had to,
> but you have a lot of colleagues who are experiencing the same problem
> at the moment. They may be able to advise.
> 
> So it would be nice if what was in that first patch set was 'functional'
> but I don't think it needs to function on every systems or support more
> than an absolutely minimal feature set.  Just fail to probe when you see
> something that isn't supported by that minimal set if that means
> the thing won't be functional.
> 
> Once that's in place, over a couple of additional patch sets you can
> get to everything you have here.
> 
> So what if you choose one data path (shmti perhaps), no notifications,
> events, maybe even simplify to one of the readback paths.
> Maybe even drop event groups initially. 

Based on our real world initial customer of this I can certainly drop a
few features that are not supported anyway by the real FW and move it to
a later patchset, stuff like groups, notifications and single sample
reads, but all of the rest is hardly removable while keeping the system
functional and usable.

> Possibly even drop timestamps.  Definitely drop things like boot-on
> support and debugfs (unless you are using that as a cheeky 'functional'
> test ahead of the main userspace interface.

Not sure what you mean by drop timestamps, definitelly cannot drop
boot-on (it is how systems are configured indeed) neither debugfs used
for bring-up and FW debug.

> 
> How much would that slim things down?  It doesn't even have to be
> useful, just testable.  Realistically I think the hope of getting
> enough review doubles if you can halve the size of what you are asking
> people to look at.

I am not sure how many lines I can shed with the above features drops but
I'll give it a go anyway at slimming down the series after I have gone
through this round of Sashiko pains.

> 
> Anyhow, gut feeling only but the code felt like it was in a much
> better state than some of the versions I've looked at in the past,
> so I think the game is now how to get it over the line!
> 

From the testing/functional/performance standpoints the series has
definitely improved especially, but still some road to go.

Thanks,
Cristian

  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-11-11 10:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-11-09  9:11 [PATCH v15 00/35] Introduce SCMI Telemetry support Cristian Marussi
2026-11-09  9:11 ` [PATCH v15 01/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Harden iterators state parsing Cristian Marussi
2026-11-09 21:57   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-10  8:19     ` Cristian Marussi
2026-11-09  9:11 ` [PATCH v15 02/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Add new SCMIv4.0 error codes definitions Cristian Marussi
2026-11-09  9:11 ` [PATCH v15 03/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Introduce a dedicated SCMI Errors header Cristian Marussi
2026-11-09 22:01   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-10  8:23     ` Cristian Marussi
2026-11-09  9:11 ` [PATCH v15 04/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Allow registration of unknown-size events/reports Cristian Marussi
2026-11-09 22:07   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-10  8:27     ` Cristian Marussi
2026-11-09  9:11 ` [PATCH v15 05/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Refactor __scmi_event_handler_get_ops helper Cristian Marussi
2026-11-09  9:11 ` [PATCH v15 06/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Introduce protocol instance notifiers Cristian Marussi
2026-11-09 23:32   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-09  9:11 ` [PATCH v15 07/35] dt-bindings: firmware: arm,scmi: Add support for telemetry protocol Cristian Marussi
2026-11-09  9:11 ` [PATCH v15 08/35] include: trace: Add Telemetry trace events Cristian Marussi
2026-11-09  9:11 ` [PATCH v15 09/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Add Telemetry basic attributes enumeration Cristian Marussi
2026-11-09 23:57   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-09  9:11 ` [PATCH v15 10/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Add Telemetry resources enumeration Cristian Marussi
2026-11-10  1:36   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-10 15:33     ` Cristian Marussi
2026-11-09  9:11 ` [PATCH v15 11/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Add Telemetry groups initialization Cristian Marussi
2026-11-10  1:53   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-09  9:11 ` [PATCH v15 12/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Add Telemetry update intervals enumeration Cristian Marussi
2026-11-10  2:07   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-09  9:11 ` [PATCH v15 13/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Add Telemetry SHMTI areas enumeration Cristian Marussi
2026-11-10  2:26   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-09  9:12 ` [PATCH v15 14/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Add Telemetry TDCF areas parsing support Cristian Marussi
2026-11-10 18:15   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-09  9:12 ` [PATCH v15 15/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Add Telemetry TDCF parsing for BLK_TS lines Cristian Marussi
2026-11-10 18:33   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-09  9:12 ` [PATCH v15 16/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Add Telemetry TDCF parsing for UUID lines Cristian Marussi
2026-11-10 18:49   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-09  9:12 ` [PATCH v15 17/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Add Telemetry configuration operations Cristian Marussi
2026-11-10 20:07   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-09  9:12 ` [PATCH v15 18/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Add Telemetry DataEvent read capabilities Cristian Marussi
2026-11-10 21:59   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-09  9:12 ` [PATCH v15 19/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Add Telemetry reset logic Cristian Marussi
2026-11-10 22:07   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-09  9:12 ` [PATCH v15 20/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Add Telemetry notification support Cristian Marussi
2026-11-10 22:16   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-09  9:12 ` [PATCH v15 21/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Add Telemetry boot-on support Cristian Marussi
2026-11-10 22:25   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-09  9:12 ` [PATCH v15 22/35] firmware: arm-scmi: Add Telemetry generic event support Cristian Marussi
2026-11-10 22:33   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-09  9:12 ` [PATCH v15 23/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Add Telemetry generation counter event Cristian Marussi
2026-11-10 22:46   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-09  9:12 ` [PATCH v15 24/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Add common per-protocol debugfs support Cristian Marussi
2026-11-10 22:50   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-09  9:12 ` [PATCH v15 25/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Add Telemetry debugfs SHMTI dump support Cristian Marussi
2026-11-10 22:54   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-09  9:12 ` [PATCH v15 26/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Add Telemetry debugfs ABI documentation Cristian Marussi
2026-11-10 22:55   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-09  9:12 ` [PATCH v15 27/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Expose per-instance identifier Cristian Marussi
2026-11-10 22:57   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-09  9:12 ` [PATCH v15 28/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Add un-managed methods to get/put protocols operations Cristian Marussi
2026-11-10 23:01   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-10 23:18   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-09  9:12 ` [PATCH v15 29/35] uapi: Add ARM SCMI Telemetry definitions Cristian Marussi
2026-11-10 23:13   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-09  9:12 ` [PATCH v15 30/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Add System Telemetry driver Cristian Marussi
2026-11-10 23:46   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-09  9:12 ` [PATCH v15 31/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Enable autoloading for " Cristian Marussi
2026-11-09  9:12 ` [PATCH v15 32/35] docs: ioctl-number: Add SCMI Ioctls Cristian Marussi
2026-11-09  9:12 ` [PATCH v15 33/35] Documentation: Add SCMI System Telemetry documentation Cristian Marussi
2026-11-10 23:54   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-09  9:12 ` [PATCH v15 34/35] [RFC] kselftest/arm64: Add SCMI Telemetry UAPI compliance testcases Cristian Marussi
2026-11-11  0:13   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-09  9:12 ` [PATCH v15 35/35] [RFC] tools/testing/scmi: Add SCMI Telemetry testing tool Cristian Marussi
2026-11-11  0:16   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-11  0:38 ` [PATCH v15 00/35] Introduce SCMI Telemetry support Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-11  9:51   ` Sudeep Holla
2026-11-11 10:15   ` Cristian Marussi [this message]
2026-11-11 18:39     ` Jonathan Cameron

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