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From: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko@kernel.org>
To: Breno Leitao <leitao@debian.org>,
	Stefan Mahnke-Hartmann <stefan.mahnke-hartmann@infineon.com>
Cc: Peter Huewe <peterhuewe@gmx.de>, Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Shuah Khan <skhan@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@infradead.org>,
	linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	surenkj@amazon.com, noodles@meta.com, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	kernel-team@meta.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 1/2] tpm: Disable a TPM that stops responding
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2026 17:40:08 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <avcvWJMidN7p0LUM@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <avconeIiDzMIq40n@gmail.com>

On Fri, Nov 13, 2026 at 07:14:39AM -0800, Breno Leitao wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 13, 2026 at 04:42:20PM +0200, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 13, 2026 at 02:38:58AM -0800, Breno Leitao wrote:
> > > @@ -40,6 +40,11 @@ module_param_named(suspend_pcr, tpm_suspend_pcr, uint, 0644);
> > >  MODULE_PARM_DESC(suspend_pcr,
> > >  		 "PCR to use for dummy writes to facilitate flush on suspend.");
> > >  
> > > +static unsigned int tpm_max_missed_responses = 60;
> > 
> > This looks good but I started to think this number. I guess it is high
> > because there's never reset-to-zero for chip->nr_missed_responses.
> >
> > I think three or four trials at most should be enough, and when there 
> > is a successful transmission chip->nr_missed_responses should reset.
> 
> It does reset. Any command that gets an answer, whatever its return
> code, sets the count back to zero:
> 
> 	if (ret >= 0) {
> 		chip->nr_missed_responses = 0;
> 
> so the TPM is only disabled after 60 timeouts with no answer in between.

Oops, sorry had a blind spot.

This made me thinking that it is unlikely that there would be a sequence
of -ETIME's and then things started suddenly working. It is not a likely
world scenario.

So really TPM_CHIP_FLAG_MISSED_RESPONSE could be the counter: it is set
when -ETIME happens, allowing a single -ETIME failure but not a sequence
of them.

Sorry, this simply did not cross mind earlier.

Second open question: do we want to disable or move into firmware
upgrade mode?

Stefan, could you review this patch set from this angle? I don't feel
I have enough expertise on this topic.


>     Some TPMs stop responding at runtime, hours to months after they
>     passed probe. The first sign is usually "invalid TPM_STS.x 0xff",
>     and from then on every command fails only after the transport
>     timeout. A TPM that is already dead at boot fails tpm2_probe() and
>     never registers, which is not affected by this patchset/feature.

This is much better. It is as accurate as possible, which is good
enough.

> 
> Thanks,
> --breno

Br, Jarkko

  reply	other threads:[~2026-11-13 15:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-11-13 10:38 [PATCH v3 0/2] tpm: Stop retrying TPMs that have stopped working Breno Leitao
2026-11-13 10:38 ` [PATCH v3 1/2] tpm: Disable a TPM that stops responding Breno Leitao
2026-11-13 14:42   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-11-13 15:14     ` Breno Leitao
2026-11-13 15:40       ` Jarkko Sakkinen [this message]
2026-11-13 10:38 ` [PATCH v3 2/2] tpm: Disable TPM on TPM_RC_INITIALIZE Breno Leitao

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