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From: "Davíð Steinn Geirsson" <david@dsg.is>
To: Guenter Roeck <linux@roeck-us.net>
Cc: "Jean Delvare" <jdelvare@suse.com>,
	linux-hwmon@vger.kernel.org, "Rob Herring" <robh@kernel.org>,
	"Krzysztof Kozlowski" <krzk+dt@kernel.org>,
	"Conor Dooley" <conor+dt@kernel.org>,
	devicetree@vger.kernel.org,
	"Uwe Kleine-König" <ukleinek@kernel.org>,
	linux-pwm@vger.kernel.org, "Jonathan Corbet" <corbet@lwn.net>,
	"Shuah Khan" <skhan@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Randy Dunlap" <rdunlap@infradead.org>,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/4] hwmon: (adt7475) Convert to hwmon_device_register_with_info()
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2026 22:41:46 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <avo1IWkXBQ2fHgKx@dsg.is> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <62350363-b796-4637-a102-c668037bbbdd@roeck-us.net>

On Sun, Nov 15, 2026 at 01:40:08PM -0800, Guenter Roeck wrote:
> On 11/15/26 06:16, Davíð Steinn Geirsson wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 13, 2026 at 10:07:53PM -0800, Guenter Roeck wrote:
> >> On 11/13/26 16:41, Davíð Steinn Geirsson wrote:
> >>> Convert the driver from hwmon_device_register_with_groups() to
> >>> hwmon_device_register_with_info(). The standard voltage, temperature,
> >>> fan and PWM attributes move to hwmon_ops. The chip-specific attributes
> >>> stay driver-defined and are passed as extra groups: the automatic fan
> >>> control points, temperature smoothing, PWM stall disable,
> >>> pwm_use_point2_pwm_at_crit and the VID attributes.
> >>>
> >>> The driver keeps data->lock, although the hwmon core serialises the
> >>> hwmon_ops callbacks. The attributes in the extra groups run outside that
> >>> serialisation, and they share the register cache and its periodic update
> >>> with the hwmon_ops callbacks. They do not take hwmon_lock() instead, to
> >>> keep this conversion free of locking changes.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I disagree here. If you don't want to change the locks to use the hwmon
> >> subsystem lock in this patch, add another patch to change the code to
> >> use it. The subsystem lock was not introduced to be ignored.
> >
> > Understood. I did notice one issue while planning that change. Patch 4
> > makes the chip a PWM provider, so its callbacks will also need the
> > lock. If the consumer is pwm-fan, then when userspace writes pwm-fan's
> > pwm attribute, the hwmon core holds pwm-fan's lock. pwm-fan then calls
> > into the PWM core, which calls into adt7475, which then needs to take
> > its own hwmon lock:
> >
> >    hwmon_attr_store()              takes pwm-fan's hwmon lock
> >      pwm_fan_write()
> >        pwm_apply_might_sleep()
> >          adt7475_pwm_write_waveform()
> >            hwmon_lock()            takes adt7475's hwmon lock
> >
> > As far as I can tell no driver does this today. adt7470 and
> > aspeed-g6-pwm-tach are the other PWM providers I found in drivers/hwmon,
> > and neither takes the subsystem lock in its PWM callbacks.
> >
> 
> Ah, the usual "someone else does (or does not) do it".

Apologies if that's how it came off, that was not the intent. I
understand your earlier guidance that new drivers need to use the hwmon
subsystem lock for this kind of thing. The reason I mentioned those
other drivers was to try to explain why I believe this is a novel issue
other hwmon drivers have not hit before. 

> 
> > I haven't written any code for this yet, so this is based on my read
> > of the current code only. If correct, I think this would need a hwmon
> > core change to give each hwmon device its own lockdep class.
> >
> 
> Hmm, if that is true (I'd like to see a lockddep warning), that will
> need to be fixed anyway. The situation above will be more common with the
> pwm subsystem maintainer pushing for that kind of architecture, so it will
> need to be fixed. Introducing / maintaining another layer of locks is not
> the solution.

I did prepare a minimal test case for this earlier today with qemu and
i2c-stub:
```
[    2.173321] === writing 100 to /sys/bus/platform/devices/pwm-fan.0/hwmon/hwmon1/pwm1
[    2.173516] 
[    2.174872] ======================================================
[    2.175874] WARNING: possible circular locking dependency detected
[    2.176802] 7.4.0-rc2-00198-g073ebe4bdeea-dirty #1 Tainted: G           O       
[    2.178136] ------------------------------------------------------
[    2.179038] init/1 is trying to acquire lock:
[    2.179707] ffffa10c01f6e2a0 (&ctx->lock){+.+.}-{4:4}, at: pwm_fan_write+0x11e/0x288 [pwm_fan]
[    2.180942] 
[    2.180942] but task is already holding lock:
[    2.181751] ffffa10c02411538 (&hwdev->lock){+.+.}-{4:4}, at: hwmon_attr_store+0x66/0x1c0
[    2.182999] 
[    2.182999] which lock already depends on the new lock.
[    2.182999] 
[    2.184193] 
[    2.184193] the existing dependency chain (in reverse order) is:
[    2.185191] 
[    2.185191] -> #2 (&hwdev->lock){+.+.}-{4:4}:
[    2.185989]        lock_acquire+0xcf/0x300
[    2.186532]        __mutex_lock+0xcf/0x1210
[    2.187149]        adt7475_pwm_write_waveform+0x29/0x90 [adt7475]
[    2.188046]        __pwm_write_waveform+0x1e/0xf0
[    2.188928]        __pwm_apply+0x49f/0x940
[    2.189554]        pwm_apply_might_sleep+0x67/0x100
[    2.190246]        __set_pwm+0x97/0x1e0 [pwm_fan]
[    2.191048]        pwm_fan_probe+0x157/0x790 [pwm_fan]
[    2.191822]        platform_probe+0x68/0xa0
[    2.192389]        really_probe+0xcd/0x2b0
[    2.193037]        __driver_probe_device+0x8e/0x180
[    2.193751]        driver_probe_device+0x1a/0x90
[    2.194359]        __device_attach_driver+0x7b/0xc0
[    2.195092]        bus_for_each_drv+0x9e/0x110
[    2.195741]        __device_attach+0xad/0x1c0
[    2.196324]        device_initial_probe+0x45/0x70
[    2.197013]        __bus_probe_device+0x3a/0xc0
[    2.197712]        device_add+0x6a9/0x8e0
[    2.198243]        platform_device_add+0x100/0x220
[    2.198995]        platform_device_register_full+0x191/0x210
[    2.199790]        0xffffffffc04091c7
[    2.200454]        do_one_initcall+0x99/0x310
[    2.201169]        do_init_module+0x65/0x260
[    2.201759]        init_module_from_file+0xbc/0x130
[    2.202425]        idempotent_init_module+0x1cb/0x330
[    2.203151]        __x64_sys_finit_module+0x74/0xe0
[    2.203851]        do_syscall_64+0x110/0x620
[    2.204447]        entry_SYSCALL_64_after_hwframe+0x77/0x7f
[    2.205240] 
[    2.205240] -> #1 (&chip->nonatomic_lock){+.+.}-{4:4}:
[    2.206208]        lock_acquire+0xcf/0x300
[    2.206794]        __mutex_lock+0xcf/0x1210
[    2.207382]        pwm_apply_might_sleep+0xad/0x100
[    2.208143]        __set_pwm+0x97/0x1e0 [pwm_fan]
[    2.208814]        pwm_fan_probe+0x157/0x790 [pwm_fan]
[    2.209530]        platform_probe+0x68/0xa0
[    2.210178]        really_probe+0xcd/0x2b0
[    2.210724]        __driver_probe_device+0x8e/0x180
[    2.211368]        driver_probe_device+0x1a/0x90
[    2.212210]        __device_attach_driver+0x7b/0xc0
[    2.212896]        bus_for_each_drv+0x9e/0x110
[    2.213508]        __device_attach+0xad/0x1c0
[    2.214150]        device_initial_probe+0x45/0x70
[    2.214844]        __bus_probe_device+0x3a/0xc0
[    2.215473]        device_add+0x6a9/0x8e0
[    2.216118]        platform_device_add+0x100/0x220
[    2.216758]        platform_device_register_full+0x191/0x210
[    2.217522]        0xffffffffc04091c7
[    2.218046]        do_one_initcall+0x99/0x310
[    2.218673]        do_init_module+0x65/0x260
[    2.219274]        init_module_from_file+0xbc/0x130
[    2.219988]        idempotent_init_module+0x1cb/0x330
[    2.220729]        __x64_sys_finit_module+0x74/0xe0
[    2.221414]        do_syscall_64+0x110/0x620
[    2.222097]        entry_SYSCALL_64_after_hwframe+0x77/0x7f
[    2.222870] 
[    2.222870] -> #0 (&ctx->lock){+.+.}-{4:4}:
[    2.223965]        check_prev_add+0xdb/0xee0
[    2.224558]        __lock_acquire+0xdb9/0x1cf0
[    2.225218]        lock_acquire+0xcf/0x300
[    2.225821]        __mutex_lock+0xcf/0x1210
[    2.226371]        pwm_fan_write+0x11e/0x288 [pwm_fan]
[    2.227204]        hwmon_attr_store+0x84/0x1c0
[    2.227870]        kernfs_fop_write_iter+0x185/0x240
[    2.228551]        vfs_write+0x285/0x6a0
[    2.229122]        ksys_write+0x7c/0x120
[    2.229717]        do_syscall_64+0x110/0x620
[    2.230284]        entry_SYSCALL_64_after_hwframe+0x77/0x7f
[    2.231138] 
[    2.231138] other info that might help us debug this:
[    2.231138] 
[    2.232291] Chain exists of:
[    2.232291]   &ctx->lock --> &chip->nonatomic_lock --> &hwdev->lock
[    2.232291] 
[    2.233773]  Possible unsafe locking scenario:
[    2.233773] 
[    2.234839]        CPU0                    CPU1
[    2.235510]        ----                    ----
[    2.236157]   lock(&hwdev->lock);
[    2.236717]                                lock(&chip->nonatomic_lock);
[    2.237633]                                lock(&hwdev->lock);
[    2.238447]   lock(&ctx->lock);
[    2.238948] 
[    2.238948]  *** DEADLOCK ***
[    2.238948] 
[    2.239970] locks held by init/1: 4, on CPU#0:
[    2.240582]  #0: ffffa10c01f02450 (sb_writers#3){.+.+}-{0:0}, at: ksys_write+0x7c/0x120
[    2.241746]  #1: ffffa10c01f6fa80 (&of->mutex#2){+.+.}-{4:4}, at: kernfs_fop_write_iter+0x13b/0x240
[    2.243002]  #2: ffffa10c0246ee78 (kn->active#2){.+.+}-{0:0}, at: kernfs_fop_write_iter+0x150/0x240
[    2.244300]  #3: ffffa10c02411538 (&hwdev->lock){+.+.}-{4:4}, at: hwmon_attr_store+0x66/0x1c0
[    2.245444] 
[    2.245444] stack backtrace:
[    2.246031] CPU: 0 UID: 0 PID: 1 Comm: init Tainted: G           O        7.4.0-rc2-00198-g073ebe4bdeea-dirty #1 PREEMPT(lazy) 
[    2.247731] Tainted: [O]=OOT_MODULE
[    2.248194] Hardware name: QEMU Standard PC (i440FX + PIIX, 1996), BIOS rel-1.17.0-0-gb52ca86e094d-prebuilt.qemu.org 04/01/2014
[    2.249765] Call Trace:
[    2.250101]  <TASK>
[    2.250393]  dump_stack_lvl+0x5d/0x90
[    2.250890]  print_circular_bug.cold+0x18f/0x1f1
[    2.251570]  check_noncircular+0x180/0x1b0
[    2.252206]  check_prev_add+0xdb/0xee0
[    2.252715]  __lock_acquire+0xdb9/0x1cf0
[    2.253231]  lock_acquire+0xcf/0x300
[    2.253792]  ? pwm_fan_write+0x11e/0x288 [pwm_fan]
[    2.254421]  ? hwmon_attr_store+0x66/0x1c0
[    2.254969]  ? lock_is_held_type+0xac/0x180
[    2.255584]  __mutex_lock+0xcf/0x1210
[    2.256081]  ? pwm_fan_write+0x11e/0x288 [pwm_fan]
[    2.256782]  ? pwm_fan_write+0x11e/0x288 [pwm_fan]
[    2.257410]  ? __mutex_lock+0x643/0x1210
[    2.257990]  ? pwm_fan_write+0x11e/0x288 [pwm_fan]
[    2.258697]  pwm_fan_write+0x11e/0x288 [pwm_fan]
[    2.259374]  ? __pfx_pwm_fan_write+0x10/0x10 [pwm_fan]
[    2.260091]  hwmon_attr_store+0x84/0x1c0
[    2.260656]  ? sysfs_file_kobj+0x6f/0x160
[    2.261194]  kernfs_fop_write_iter+0x185/0x240
[    2.261828]  ? __pfx_kernfs_fop_write_iter+0x10/0x10
[    2.262479]  vfs_write+0x285/0x6a0
[    2.262980]  ksys_write+0x7c/0x120
[    2.263474]  do_syscall_64+0x110/0x620
[    2.264055]  ? __irq_exit_rcu+0x33/0x140
[    2.264575]  entry_SYSCALL_64_after_hwframe+0x77/0x7f
[    2.265281] RIP: 0033:0x4eee8f
[    2.265736] Code: 31 c0 31 d2 31 c9 31 f6 31 ff 45 31 db c3 55 48 89 f8 4d 89 c2 48 89 f7 4d 89 c8 48 89 d6 48 89 ca 48 89 e5 4c 8b 4d 10 0f 05 <5d> 31 d2 31 c9 31 f6 31 ff 45 31 c0 45 31 c9 45 31 d2 45 31 db c3
[    2.268303] RSP: 002b:00007ffd0cec3750 EFLAGS: 00000212 ORIG_RAX: 0000000000000001
[    2.269350] RAX: ffffffffffffffda RBX: 00000000005322ac RCX: 00000000004eee8f
[    2.270389] RDX: 0000000000000004 RSI: 00007f7d8dd79780 RDI: 0000000000000001
[    2.271398] RBP: 00007ffd0cec3750 R08: 0000000000000000 R09: 0000000000000000
[    2.272390] R10: 0000000000000000 R11: 0000000000000212 R12: 00007f7d8dd79780
[    2.273364] R13: 0000000000000004 R14: 0000000000000000 R15: 0000000000000000
[    2.274331]  </TASK>
[    2.275512] === write returned 0;  debug_locks:    
```


> 
> Anyway, you want to add the complexity of getting the pwm subsystem and
> the pwm-fan driver involved, even though this could as well be handled
> in the adt7475 driver, so you'll have to suffer the consequences.

I have no attachment to this implementation, in truth I just expected an
adt7475 driver registering cooling devices itself would be rejected. If
that approach is acceptable, I agree it would be simpler and side-step
this whole issue.

Thanks again for your time on this,
Davíð


> 
> Thanks,
> Guenter
> 
> > I'm not quite confident enough in my understanding of the core to
> > commit to implementing such a change. But I'd appreciate your thoughts
> > on this.
> >
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Guenter
> >>
> >
> > Thanks again,
> > Davíð
> 


  reply	other threads:[~2026-11-15 22:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-11-14  0:41 [PATCH 0/4] hwmon: (adt7475) Add thermal sensor and PWM provider support Davíð Steinn Geirsson
2026-11-14  0:41 ` [PATCH 1/4] dt-bindings: hwmon: adt7475: Add #thermal-sensor-cells Davíð Steinn Geirsson
2026-11-14  0:41 ` [PATCH 2/4] hwmon: (adt7475) Convert to hwmon_device_register_with_info() Davíð Steinn Geirsson
2026-11-14  6:07   ` Guenter Roeck
2026-11-15 14:16     ` Davíð Steinn Geirsson
2026-11-15 21:40       ` Guenter Roeck
2026-11-15 22:41         ` Davíð Steinn Geirsson [this message]
2026-11-14  0:41 ` [PATCH 3/4] hwmon: (adt7475) Add thermal zone sensor support Davíð Steinn Geirsson
2026-11-14  0:41 ` [PATCH 4/4] hwmon: (adt7475) Expose fan control via PWM framework Davíð Steinn Geirsson
2026-11-14  6:10   ` Guenter Roeck
2026-11-14  1:03 ` [PATCH 0/4] hwmon: (adt7475) Add thermal sensor and PWM provider support Guenter Roeck
2026-11-14 10:23   ` Davíð Steinn Geirsson
2026-11-14 15:57     ` Guenter Roeck

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