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From: John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>
To: Joel Fernandes <joelagnelf@nvidia.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC v6 05/26] nova-core: mm: Add support to use PRAMIN windows to write to VRAM
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2026 19:38:33 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <c064fbdc-9202-437d-80ff-6134d2a33778@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260130015901.GA301119@joelbox2>

On 1/29/26 5:59 PM, Joel Fernandes wrote:
> On 1/29/26 8:12 PM, John Hubbard wrote:
>> On 1/29/26 4:26 PM, Joel Fernandes wrote:
>>> Based on the below discussion and research, I came up with some deadlock
>>> scenarios that we need to handle in the v6 series of these patches.
>>> [...]
>>> memory allocations under locks that we need in the dma-fence signaling
>>> critical path (when doing the virtual memory map/unmap)
>>
>> unmap? Are you seeing any allocations happening during unmap? I don't
>> immediately see any, but that sounds surprising.
> 
> Not allocations but we are acquiring locks during unmap. My understanding
> is (at least some) unmaps have to also be done in the dma fence signaling
> critical path (the run stage), but Danilo/you can correct me if I am wrong
> on that. We cannot avoid all locking but those same locks cannot be held in
> any other paths which do a memory allocation (as mentioned in one of the
> deadlock scenarios), that is probably the main thing to check for unmap.
> 

Right, OK we are on the same page now: no allocations happening on unmap,
but it can still deadlock, because the driver is typically going to
use a single lock to protect calls both map and unmap-related calls
to the buddy allocator.

For the deadlock above, I think a good way to break that deadlock is
to not allow taking that lock in a fence signaling calling path.

So during an unmap, instead of "lock, unmap/free, unlock" it should
move the item to a deferred-free list, which is processed separately.
Of course, this is a little complex, because the allocation and reclaim
has to be aware of such lists if they get large.



thanks,
-- 
John Hubbard


  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-30  3:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-20 20:42 [PATCH RFC v6 00/26] nova-core: Memory management infrastructure (v6) Joel Fernandes
2026-01-20 20:42 ` [PATCH RFC v6 01/26] rust: clist: Add support to interface with C linked lists Joel Fernandes
2026-01-20 23:48   ` Gary Guo
2026-01-21 19:50     ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-21 20:36       ` Gary Guo
2026-01-21 20:41         ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-21 20:46         ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-25  1:51         ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-21  7:27   ` Zhi Wang
2026-01-21 18:12     ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-20 20:42 ` [PATCH RFC v6 02/26] gpu: Move DRM buddy allocator one level up Joel Fernandes
2026-02-05 20:55   ` Dave Airlie
2026-02-06  1:04     ` Joel Fernandes
2026-02-06  1:07       ` Dave Airlie
2026-01-20 20:42 ` [PATCH RFC v6 03/26] rust: gpu: Add GPU buddy allocator bindings Joel Fernandes
2026-02-04  3:55   ` Dave Airlie
2026-02-05  1:00     ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-20 20:42 ` [PATCH RFC v6 04/26] nova-core: mm: Select GPU_BUDDY for VRAM allocation Joel Fernandes
2026-01-20 20:42 ` [PATCH RFC v6 05/26] nova-core: mm: Add support to use PRAMIN windows to write to VRAM Joel Fernandes
2026-01-21  8:07   ` Zhi Wang
2026-01-21 17:52     ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-22 23:16       ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-23 10:13         ` Zhi Wang
2026-01-23 12:59           ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-28 12:04         ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-01-28 15:27           ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-29  0:09             ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-01-29  1:02               ` John Hubbard
2026-01-29  1:49                 ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-29  1:28               ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-30  0:26           ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-30  1:11             ` John Hubbard
2026-01-30  1:59               ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-30  3:38                 ` John Hubbard [this message]
2026-01-30 21:14                   ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-31  3:00                     ` Dave Airlie
2026-01-31  3:21                       ` John Hubbard
2026-01-31 20:08                         ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-31 20:02                       ` Joel Fernandes
2026-02-02  9:12                       ` Christian König
2026-02-04 23:42                         ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-30  1:16             ` Gary Guo
2026-01-30  1:45               ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-20 20:42 ` [PATCH RFC v6 06/26] docs: gpu: nova-core: Document the PRAMIN aperture mechanism Joel Fernandes
2026-01-20 20:42 ` [PATCH RFC v6 07/26] nova-core: Add BAR1 aperture type and size constant Joel Fernandes
2026-01-20 20:42 ` [PATCH RFC v6 08/26] nova-core: gsp: Add BAR1 PDE base accessors Joel Fernandes
2026-01-20 20:42 ` [PATCH RFC v6 09/26] nova-core: mm: Add common memory management types Joel Fernandes
2026-01-20 20:42 ` [PATCH RFC v6 10/26] nova-core: mm: Add common types for all page table formats Joel Fernandes
2026-01-20 20:42 ` [PATCH RFC v6 11/26] nova-core: mm: Add MMU v2 page table types Joel Fernandes
2026-01-20 20:42 ` [PATCH RFC v6 12/26] nova-core: mm: Add MMU v3 " Joel Fernandes
2026-01-20 20:42 ` [PATCH RFC v6 13/26] nova-core: mm: Add unified page table entry wrapper enums Joel Fernandes
2026-01-21  9:54   ` Zhi Wang
2026-01-21 18:35     ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-20 20:42 ` [PATCH RFC v6 14/26] nova-core: mm: Add TLB flush support Joel Fernandes
2026-01-21  9:59   ` Zhi Wang
2026-01-21 18:45     ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-20 20:42 ` [PATCH RFC v6 15/26] nova-core: mm: Add GpuMm centralized memory manager Joel Fernandes
2026-01-20 20:42 ` [PATCH RFC v6 16/26] nova-core: mm: Add page table walker for MMU v2 Joel Fernandes
2026-01-20 20:42 ` [PATCH RFC v6 17/26] nova-core: mm: Add Virtual Memory Manager Joel Fernandes
2026-01-20 20:42 ` [PATCH RFC v6 18/26] nova-core: mm: Add virtual address range tracking to VMM Joel Fernandes
2026-01-20 20:42 ` [PATCH RFC v6 19/26] nova-core: mm: Add BAR1 user interface Joel Fernandes
2026-01-20 20:42 ` [PATCH RFC v6 20/26] nova-core: gsp: Return GspStaticInfo and FbLayout from boot() Joel Fernandes
2026-01-20 20:42 ` [PATCH RFC v6 21/26] nova-core: mm: Add memory management self-tests Joel Fernandes
2026-01-20 20:42 ` [PATCH RFC v6 22/26] nova-core: mm: Add PRAMIN aperture self-tests Joel Fernandes
2026-01-20 20:43 ` [PATCH RFC v6 23/26] nova-core: gsp: Extract usable FB region from GSP Joel Fernandes
2026-01-20 20:43 ` [PATCH RFC v6 24/26] nova-core: fb: Add usable_vram field to FbLayout Joel Fernandes
2026-01-20 20:43 ` [PATCH RFC v6 25/26] nova-core: mm: Use usable VRAM region for buddy allocator Joel Fernandes
2026-01-20 20:43 ` [PATCH RFC v6 26/26] nova-core: mm: Add BarUser to struct Gpu and create at boot Joel Fernandes
2026-01-28 11:37 ` [PATCH RFC v6 00/26] nova-core: Memory management infrastructure (v6) Danilo Krummrich
2026-01-28 12:44   ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-29  0:01     ` Danilo Krummrich

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