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From: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
To: "Xu Xin (vivo)" <xu.xin@linux.dev>
Cc: g@dgvxl46587.localhost.localdomain,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Chengming Zhou <chengming.zhou@linux.dev>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <lstoakes@gmail.com>,
	"Liam R . Howlett" <liam.howlett@oracle.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	Huan Yang <link@vivo.com>, Wang Xiao <xiao.wang@vivo.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH resend] ksm: add merge_only_zero_pages to merge only empty anonymous pages
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2026 12:54:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <c092dbef-515b-4575-8669-efef8ebb6e29@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <avJ0p8ZfjZc9EewW@dgvxl46587.localhost.localdomain>

On 11/10/26 02:34, Xu Xin (vivo) wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 09, 2026 at 06:41:39PM +0100, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
>> On 11/9/26 02:39, Xu Xin (vivo) wrote:
>>>
>>> Ha, fair question :) This came from our own investigation. We were looking
>>> into whether KSM can actually provide benefits on Android phones, and this
>>> observation came from real-world application workloads. To be fully honest:
>>> I did use an LLM to help polish the English wording of the commit description,
>>> but I carefully rechecked and verified every sentence myself..
>>
>> The reason why I ask is that this effectively disables most deduplication where
>> KSM was originally invented for: VMs running the same kernels, libaries,
>> executables etc.
> 
> Yes, it closes the original scenarios like KVM, so I wrote a Note to say that in
> commit description and Documentations. But it opens up some new application scenarios
>  — scenarios with high security and low cpu-consuming requirements, where merging
> zero pages alone can already bring benefits.
> 
>>
>> So yeah, disabling most deduplication shrinks side-channels ... by disabling the
>> core functionality of KSM, to dedupicate pages with the same content :)
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We still keep the stable/unstable tree data structures, but zero-page merging
>>> does not participate in the stable/unstable tree search path. One more reason
>>> for keeping them is that merge_only_zero_page is designed as a dynamic knob
>>> that can be toggled at runtime, so when it is disabled KSM can fall back to
>>> the traditional full KSM behavior.
>>
>>
>> What's the memory overhead from keeping these datastructures in the
>> merge_only_zero_page-only path?
> 
> In the merge_only_zero_page-only path of current implementation, the main memory
> overhead comes from the ksm_rmap_items for non-zero pages, RB trees of stable and
> unstable, and mm_slots.
> 
> If the allocation of rmap_item can be avoided (following Tu Jinjiang’s idea), then
> only the stable_tree and unstable_tree remain, which are basically empty, and these
> overheads become so low that they are negligible. The mm_slots are essential so can't
> be avoid, but won't take up much memory.

Okay, so that's the right approach then.

-- 
Cheers,

David

      reply	other threads:[~2026-11-10 11:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-11-06  3:48 [PATCH resend] ksm: add merge_only_zero_pages to merge only empty anonymous pages xu.xin
2026-11-07  8:13 ` Jinjiang Tu
2026-11-09  2:02   ` Xu Xin (vivo)
2026-11-09  3:17     ` Jinjiang Tu
2026-11-09 17:56     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-11-09  7:58   ` Xu Xin (vivo)
2026-11-10  2:02     ` Jinjiang Tu
2026-11-07 18:28 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-11-09  1:39   ` Xu Xin (vivo)
2026-11-09 17:41     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-11-10  1:34       ` Xu Xin (vivo)
2026-11-10 11:54         ` David Hildenbrand (Arm) [this message]

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