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You can easily trigger the >> scenario that folio_mapcount() != 0 with active device-exclusive entries, >> and you start doing rmap walks and stumble over these device-exclusive >> entries and *not* handle them properly. Note that more and more systems are >> configured to just give you THP unless you explicitly opted-out using >> MADV_NOHUGEPAGE early. >> >> Note that b756a3b5e7ea added that hunk that still walks these >> device-exclusive entries in rmap code, but didn't actually update the rmap >> walkers: >> >> @@ -102,7 +104,8 @@ static bool check_pte(struct page_vma_mapped_walk *pvmw) >> >> /* Handle un-addressable ZONE_DEVICE memory */ >> entry = pte_to_swp_entry(*pvmw->pte); >> - if (!is_device_private_entry(entry)) >> + if (!is_device_private_entry(entry) && >> + !is_device_exclusive_entry(entry)) >> return false; >> >> pfn = swp_offset(entry); >> >> That was the right thing to do, because they resemble PROT_NONE entries and >> not migration entries or anything else that doesn't hold a folio reference). > > Yeah I got that part. What I meant is that doubling down on this needs a > full audit and cannot rely on "we already have device private entries > going through these paths for much longer", which was the impression I > got. I guess it worked, thanks for doing that below :-) I know I know, I shouldn't have touched it ... :) So yeah, I'll spend some extra work on sorting out the other cases. > > And at least from my very rough understanding of mm, at least around all > this gpu stuff, tracking device exclusive mappings like real cpu mappings > makes sense, they do indeed act like PROT_NONE with some magic to restore > access on fault. > > I do wonder a bit though what else is all not properly tracked because > they should be like prot_none except arent. I guess we'll find those as we > hit them :-/ Likely a lot of stuff. But more in a "entry gets ignored -- functionality not implemented, move along" way, because all page table walkers have to care about !pte_present() already; it's just RMAP code that so far never required it. [...] > >> If thp constantly reassembles a pmd entry because hey all the >>> memory is contig and userspace allocated a chunk of memory to place >>> atomics that alternate between cpu and gpu nicely separated by 4k pages, >>> then we'll thrash around invalidating ptes to no end. So might be more >>> fallout here. >> >> khugepaged will back off once it sees an exclusive entry, so collapsing >> could only happen once everything is non-exclusive. See >> __collapse_huge_page_isolate() as an example. > > Ah ok. I think might be good to add that to the commit message, so that > people who don't understand mm deeply (like me) aren't worried when they > stumble over this change in the future again when digging around. Will do, thanks for raising that concern! > >> It's really only page_vma_mapped_walk() callers that are affected by this >> change, not any other page table walkers. > > I guess my mm understanding is just not up to that, but I couldn't figure > out why just looking at page_vma_mapped_walk() only is good enough? See above: these never had to handle !page_present() before -- in contrast to the other page table walkers. So nothing bad happens when these page table walkers traverse these PTEs, it's just that the functionality will usually be implemented. Take MADV_PAGEOUT as an example: madvise_cold_or_pageout_pte_range() will simply skip "!pte_present()", because it wouldn't know what to do in that case. Of course, there could be page table walkers that check all cases and bail out if they find something unexpected: do_swap_page() cannot make forward progress and will inject a VM_FAULT_SIGBUS if it doesn't recognize the entry. But these are rather rare. We could enlighten selected page table walkers to handle device-exclusive where it really makes sense later. -- Cheers, David / dhildenb