From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from vps0.lunn.ch (vps0.lunn.ch [156.67.10.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 02FDA211C; Mon, 28 Apr 2025 14:45:34 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=156.67.10.101 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1745851536; cv=none; b=STzoMnmDP0O9ZivNR2T+76dp2E3ofwXPpGne5FDo18R0ehR+N0pUnQ+uS9hhZdP1m74VA8YeEVUnlQe7sJ/Zwja1kqh6kJenUUb1elOqdqBxPuo1lNAPKIgJM0+XVebox3QvhyAWS2BtySXIGStACTW9wWr/KzNWTjTZfrZldFE= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1745851536; c=relaxed/simple; bh=0qaxyed43SixLZaczHjhBLWkwQQOVtcs72WgDQpM0uI=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To; b=IYRIBjjfLorcBLJ738uja8E2Gu7l5+VlsdAy3sS+AZcq5Y4uh/E3VkV79w8r8zIqCXO70f4wwBmzWSo7Hg4BDY+yCXxnwrmmKoXdZBKFOeYimf90GIgjYsecwuzIR6QaCYsonyQd25UCeTN0Yvkg106Cf0muEYJcINuGiEGS8Rc= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=lunn.ch; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=lunn.ch; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=lunn.ch header.i=@lunn.ch header.b=HxF2K4Tu; arc=none smtp.client-ip=156.67.10.101 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=lunn.ch Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=lunn.ch Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=lunn.ch header.i=@lunn.ch header.b="HxF2K4Tu" DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lunn.ch; s=20171124; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Disposition:Content-Type:MIME-Version: References:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:From:Sender:Reply-To:Subject: Date:Message-ID:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:References; bh=XWuVVEEzCO6CTK/zeEtGw6vKXtOS128jKZE/G/8MKJ0=; b=HxF2K4TuhzmH1NjzQixF1OySKO 6MKUqFdnxdCWEKsJdo/LQnQxKBW241ZeAuPOLZ57ZLBLUd/Be4x7yxuNKTOpt3Kjrah/W39Ja9icC q6pyoJ12YKinvnVisGPYKJqe1oQDgDObnQz2WSjrqlXLFcpLszegSM8gg16lbr9btloM=; Received: from andrew by vps0.lunn.ch with local (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1u9PjR-00AqaV-0z; Mon, 28 Apr 2025 16:45:17 +0200 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2025 16:45:17 +0200 From: Andrew Lunn To: Siddharth Vadapalli Cc: Matthias Schiffer , "Russell King (Oracle)" , "David S. Miller" , Eric Dumazet , Jakub Kicinski , Paolo Abeni , Rob Herring , Krzysztof Kozlowski , Conor Dooley , Andy Whitcroft , Dwaipayan Ray , Lukas Bulwahn , Joe Perches , Jonathan Corbet , Nishanth Menon , Vignesh Raghavendra , Roger Quadros , Tero Kristo , linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org, devicetree@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux@ew.tq-group.com Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 1/4] dt-bindings: net: ethernet-controller: update descriptions of RGMII modes Message-ID: References: <218a27ae2b2ef2db53fdb3573b58229659db65f9.1744710099.git.matthias.schiffer@ew.tq-group.com> <9b9fc5d0-e973-4f4f-8dd5-d3896bf29093@lunn.ch> <8b166e41-8d21-4519-bd59-01b5ae877655@ti.com> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-doc@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <8b166e41-8d21-4519-bd59-01b5ae877655@ti.com> > A complete description might be something like: > > mac { > pcb-traces { > mac-to-phy-trace-delay = ; // Nanoseconds > phy-to-mac-trace-delay = ; // Nanoseconds > }; > In some designs, the "mac-to-phy-trace" and the "phy-to-mac-trace" are > treated as a part of the MAC block for example. PCB traces cannot be part of the MAC block, since they are copper on the PCB. In fact, such a consideration just adds to the confusion, because how do you know which designs do and which don't include the MAC block? Andrew