From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81177C433F5 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2021 13:17:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5881A6112F for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2021 13:17:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S237416AbhKHNUf (ORCPT ); Mon, 8 Nov 2021 08:20:35 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.22]:37349 "EHLO mout.gmx.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S235636AbhKHNUf (ORCPT ); Mon, 8 Nov 2021 08:20:35 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1636377466; bh=8VRJuqz5mdm7M5ya9dOR1Lz1mK1IdCM+kXHPM6HmnT0=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Date:Subject:To:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=TFnKQmhrPsrMdBAjFJsECfGiWPPXmX5wYuxF1Bd9dN7DQXeILqa6VuR9jmt5Q19u0 tUme9HGxYd/JVoBjcyLzsxK1/5uS7ouhb3Xx6yeOTxSSAU41gCd6w1knmfXUOIWWi9 YsDrF4y2QIaGv944DMkOY66S6ygPsiSNQOJ/IYKc= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.1.252] ([46.146.146.157]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.174]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MrhUK-1mPIYo28Au-00nlTW; Mon, 08 Nov 2021 14:17:46 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2021 13:17:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 (RFC)] docs: discourage users from using bugzilla.kernel.org To: Jani Nikula , Linux Kernel Mailing List , linux-doc@vger.kernel.org References: <20210110121033.130504-1-linux@leemhuis.info> <6abc7248-efda-b569-9030-5384e5ce1f29@gmx.com> <87mtme98l6.fsf@intel.com> <0b78b74e-5c72-1258-8373-5385d5709a6c@gmx.com> <871r3q950t.fsf@intel.com> From: "Artem S. Tashkinov" In-Reply-To: <871r3q950t.fsf@intel.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:FTWFyB2fwvLd9vaNQrqurIfdOn59dhILmVrObFI98JhHToy9sgf ZqPeReKBsokCCrDdKkyrB/ucebhLpB5xyimtJeQzBpFPdUhXaStgSwlpahGup0x3YJiyNHT AesvLqxV6V6ywR0bpHDqkPrdfQ52J18osaBnPmYhYTZtjySkoG5lG5pOlEbZ9abVUwuUgcQ SfTPALYy5FuRDZzs41ibg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:ivR7jGVh0gg=:F/yNay50V7IAKii7npGcru XJ81S40Ba6uxqmkZ8Ez7K93cvyuY1zqUXHLJqaxFbBhjdy1nLTuv/z7xdc5y4RJ5Ijf8FqKhR 9NO8w3AgnsRO9Jr3Xa47WlutnYoqcWHrTW10I27g1Lp3jyt31Kogtc/v5JEKPIxqWT1avsstG g79mgqUyI64v2ub+CMLJbdAKOt3q70af9zm4aqaTxABSzI8SkNgjfy/AgjiT9GKNnRXTPv0+A NWr9vJRtF7uyXNPUuKbbYb+Zxk2CohGTLkHCunkh6X4JTI8BDvIxtgLqL2RVUoxt+EO+BPgvT 3Sbe4fhuy8EbnP5tB8/4jYTrtLZJbPd/0aJN2CBuh6fJx2g1x3Ic487O22D8vxsKJ9LCwL5v2 JvMJQC64ixIFwkRJ/7NDhv7uQeydb32ulcu9/+Nl1000k3K1S5vzYi1OkudH2MQ71pmFGaY8c Xo4uWt0XX6xACm5clJXWea+jiqzxdVwCxhxS3IO529LiYBfTlyz0hcc+wJ6e6O7B6oi8GppNs /5egnBFnzrPbALqMuTd3uRJRJ31SDwqbU4o90tUVPVkuX3mMdL1dD4r1tUpRaLUf0EBD2C3+W O/+F5+PK1JVcYNrXscRibtV644JPso12sEwwdWdoEPIM6uiXgNHp3N3MFc0f16uuF5dup1hF+ OVCGBRckinKs/1i7qN1++gHgLcPw4mcqkMF4RxmM/9PBxANdb+bRpe6FBFb9eFVEwo7UFNcVZ 9sgfu9dI8O8AoGlbK5DQrWK/FDybZSRbhsB3jWM+3SBLJyy4I3/atGyWpXPvCra0hNkFXMfT+ 28uezYm4GRDHEiT4L0uaPXG4M9WJKnxPJILZRQsl6eKmLRxiVUBSnpzSZ4TW01iwsX/UggNqO pok3awykMnc3lmV9lpW5467qgbZIUeMNe1T+Ab4qK6/MF2GWXURHxgf1g8B8/xaZbQD3M6wJG 4yy2z4GDIPJD/QNKrFi8wboQWQmzwfab8Bogk9zaAxOLTw4QEU2QEQWFScqzKd7osQYl/0sMa qU9o4E5b0TuXrZdERRg5ShZzHIMXJgTSNqI3uBnrx2iKZhoygHCNgFPOeAAhweQfDg== Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-doc@vger.kernel.org On 11/8/21 13:00, Jani Nikula wrote: > On Mon, 08 Nov 2021, "Artem S. Tashkinov" wrote: >> It does *not* help one bit that we have different bug trackers and >> mailing lists for a *single* component which is the kernel. No other >> software project under the sun makes the user rack their head trying to >> understand how and where to post bug reports. > > I suppose the kernel is a single component only from a fairly narrow > user centric view. Sure, it would be nice, from a user perspective, to > have a single bug tracker for everything. But behind the scenes, the > kernel development community is so broad and fragmented it's basically > impossible to get people to agree on a tracker that would suit everyone > and that everyone would use. Furthermore, there are users that insist on > reporting bugs on their own terms anyway, refusing to sign up to any > trackers. > > Arguably "the single bug tracker" most users should report their kernel > problems for triage first is their distro bug tracker. > >> Can we shut down bugzilla.kernel.org completely? In its current form >> it's nothing but disgrace. > > Works for me, ymmv. Linux hackers probably don't need anything at all, I'm talking about average people. From the Official Debian documentation ( https://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernelReportingBugs ): > "If an oops is reproducible on latest please notify upstream via email. Another way to notify upstream is to file a bug in https://bugzilla.kernel.org/". Lots of bug reports about the kernel in the Debian bug tracker see this: > "Report upstream". Which is the opposite of what you can see at bugzilla.kernel.org It's quite amazing that absolute most distros except maybe RedHat and Ubuntu have zero people who can actually resolve kernel bugs yet the kernel bugzilla denies the option of using it. Anyways, looks like all the responsible people have their ears shut, so let's leave everything as it is.