From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from bombadil.infradead.org (bombadil.infradead.org [198.137.202.133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D52A223CE; Wed, 27 Aug 2025 05:17:34 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=198.137.202.133 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1756271856; cv=none; b=JBolDQkrmIom8Kj5MPE1Ngn9njqU1BrMt+kz/7nx4DAKnA9Sk8Uvkb4buozd/uxkb/bO8yhM7b0eFO9CGMv7dUWHyw1Su7SXBn4xg1r46vA5lRtuqpGJTHahQZlV3qI3lE0qL2qQs+aR0sg5xXZTQWXq4/PB7nZq9qnGZVS44ZA= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1756271856; c=relaxed/simple; bh=hvUTIdURmwppgPaBNy9RGLO8fkSDdyrvhcQHCj/04is=; h=Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Subject:To:Cc:References:From: In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=cgzoDOsnpjc056YRWb7rU9aEoC8Muufg1sbYkVvLxX46CMsX8zEF83C61etf1VT3pnmaKPU3NoPDTn4gKcoTF7xHMk5oBJ3t2tDLg1Qwn7Bi2ffaJOwRz5J754XucZIp73AjOrXIY1i0TOdkjSG1Pop7c94zNOX6KR+6hBhdlZA= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=infradead.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=infradead.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=infradead.org header.i=@infradead.org header.b=zcRGjdEV; arc=none smtp.client-ip=198.137.202.133 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=infradead.org Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=infradead.org Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=infradead.org header.i=@infradead.org header.b="zcRGjdEV" DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infradead.org; s=bombadil.20210309; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type:In-Reply-To:From:References:Cc:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Date: Message-ID:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description; bh=JYEj2SwXE01Y7WOdonk8/xJyOnDqigfYVLRo9H8olA8=; b=zcRGjdEV/5vKz0Il5P9+4ytwkq zPMZqZKEYMs0d7gq7xd8T+LnnLmjB7EKuGpCEWcXzbZNYWj8Y3KA89007RGarwrRXQiWR11g4+wtS mJEo4EmPFI5jXCEdIULhgDu/HiOzPz8MWWVlIo3312EsyjaaV56Lih9f3E7P8eHHYwUc395jNeeRj TBIglsZuFhGZYliX67bd0JwGBo2Vasi9mDNSFPCGE+G3Ry1IPpYnDOcslYroDZ3WNk57aSLlWuS8k JeawDNKxDYVUXImbmsjXWaXCck41wTIBFf6VAAmos1v8SgKVKEIhFOy7yHdeDkdggokjliB2pIJXK khJ05MAg==; Received: from [50.53.25.54] (helo=[192.168.254.17]) by bombadil.infradead.org with esmtpsa (Exim 4.98.2 #2 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1ur8XM-0000000E65U-2JbQ; Wed, 27 Aug 2025 05:17:32 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2025 22:17:31 -0700 Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-doc@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] Documentation: management-style: Reword "had better known the details" phrase To: Bagas Sanjaya , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Linux Documentation , Linux Kernel Workflows Cc: Jonathan Corbet , =?UTF-8?Q?Jonathan_Neusch=C3=A4fer?= , Fox Foster , Federico Vaga , Stephen Rothwell , Konstantin Ryabitsev , Matthew Wilcox References: <20250827044848.17374-1-bagasdotme@gmail.com> Content-Language: en-US From: Randy Dunlap In-Reply-To: <20250827044848.17374-1-bagasdotme@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 8/26/25 9:48 PM, Bagas Sanjaya wrote: > Management style docs writes on people under a manager, where they know > the details better than the manager himself. Reword it so that it would be > less confusing to non-native English speakers. > > Signed-off-by: Bagas Sanjaya > --- > Changes since v1 [1]: > > - Reword the confusing phrase (Konstantin) > > [1]: https://lore.kernel.org/linux-doc/20250826003437.7695-2-bagasdotme@gmail.com/ > > Documentation/process/management-style.rst | 4 ++-- > 1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) > > diff --git a/Documentation/process/management-style.rst b/Documentation/process/management-style.rst > index dfbc69bf49d435..bb7a69e34ef180 100644 > --- a/Documentation/process/management-style.rst > +++ b/Documentation/process/management-style.rst > @@ -42,7 +42,7 @@ actually true. > The name of the game is to **avoid** having to make a decision. In > particular, if somebody tells you "choose (a) or (b), we really need you > to decide on this", you're in trouble as a manager. The people you > -manage had better know the details better than you, so if they come to > +manage most likely know the details better than you, so if they come to Reviewed-by: Randy Dunlap although I would have said +manage should know the details better than you, so if they come to Anyway, thanks for the better wording. > you for a technical decision, you're screwed. You're clearly not > competent to make that decision for them. > > @@ -115,7 +115,7 @@ sure as hell shouldn't encourage them by promising them that what they > work on will be included. Make them at least think twice before they > embark on a big endeavor. > > -Remember: they'd better know more about the details than you do, and > +Remember: they know the details better than you do, and > they usually already think they have the answer to everything. The best > thing you can do as a manager is not to instill confidence, but rather a > healthy dose of critical thinking on what they do. > > base-commit: ee9a6691935490dc39605882b41b9452844d5e4e -- ~Randy