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From: Sohil Mehta <sohil.mehta@intel.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v10 01/15] x86/cpu: Enumerate the LASS feature bits
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2025 13:20:37 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ea578640-c02e-4ba9-b0b1-e9a5c9c313a9@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5d95d421-1413-46de-a578-c2a0e44e3aa1@intel.com>

On 10/7/2025 11:28 AM, Dave Hansen wrote:

> STAC/CLAC are also architected to:
> 
> 	#UD - If CPUID.(EAX=07H, ECX=0H):EBX.SMAP[bit 20] = 0.
> 
> So, even though LASS _technically_ doesn't require SMAP, it would be a
> real pain without SMAP and STAC/CLAC. Thus, this series relies on SMAP
> being present.
> 

The spec says,
"A supervisor-mode data access causes a LASS violation if it would
access a linear address of which bit 63 is 0, supervisor-mode access
protection is enabled (by setting CR4.SMAP), and either RFLAGS.AC = 0 or
the access is an implicit supervisor-mode access."

One could argue that the LASS hardware enforcement of the kernel data
accesses *depends* on SMAP being enabled.

> Actually, it might be worth breaking this dependency hunk out into its
> own patch, just so there's a nice clean place to discuss this.

Sure, we can talk about the above wording in the spec, as well as the
STAC/CLAC dependency in a separate patch.

I included some information in the cover letter to explain that:

When there are valid reasons for the kernel to access memory in the user
half, it can temporarily suspend LASS enforcement by toggling the
RFLAGS.AC bit. Most of these cases are already covered today through the
stac()/clac() pairs, which avoid SMAP violations. However, there are
kernel usages, such as text poking, that access mappings (!_PAGE_USER)
in the lower half of the address space. LASS-specific AC bit toggling is
added for these cases.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-07 20:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-07  6:51 [PATCH v10 00/15] x86: Enable Linear Address Space Separation support Sohil Mehta
2025-10-07  6:51 ` [PATCH v10 01/15] x86/cpu: Enumerate the LASS feature bits Sohil Mehta
2025-10-07 18:19   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-10-07 18:28     ` Dave Hansen
2025-10-07 20:20       ` Sohil Mehta [this message]
2025-10-07 20:38         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-10-07 20:53           ` Sohil Mehta
2025-10-16  3:10         ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-10-07 20:49     ` Sohil Mehta
2025-10-07 23:16       ` Xin Li
2025-10-08 16:00         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-10-16 15:35   ` Borislav Petkov
2025-10-21 18:03     ` Sohil Mehta
2025-10-07  6:51 ` [PATCH v10 02/15] x86/asm: Introduce inline memcpy and memset Sohil Mehta
2025-10-21 12:47   ` Borislav Petkov
2025-10-21 13:48     ` David Laight
2025-10-21 18:06     ` Sohil Mehta
2025-10-07  6:51 ` [PATCH v10 03/15] x86/alternatives: Disable LASS when patching kernel alternatives Sohil Mehta
2025-10-07 16:55   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-10-07 22:28     ` Sohil Mehta
2025-10-08 16:22       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-10-10 17:10         ` Sohil Mehta
2025-10-21 20:03   ` Borislav Petkov
2025-10-21 20:55     ` Sohil Mehta
2025-10-22  9:56       ` Borislav Petkov
2025-10-22 19:49         ` Sohil Mehta
2025-10-22 20:03           ` Luck, Tony
2025-10-22  8:25     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-22  9:40       ` Borislav Petkov
2025-10-22 10:22         ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-22 10:52           ` Borislav Petkov
2025-10-07  6:51 ` [PATCH v10 04/15] x86/cpu: Set LASS CR4 bit as pinning sensitive Sohil Mehta
2025-10-07 18:24   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-10-07 23:11     ` Sohil Mehta
2025-10-08 16:52       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-10-10 19:03         ` Sohil Mehta
2025-10-07  6:51 ` [PATCH v10 05/15] x86/cpu: Defer CR pinning enforcement until late_initcall() Sohil Mehta
2025-10-07 17:23   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-10-07 23:05     ` Sohil Mehta
2025-10-08 17:36       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-10-10 20:45         ` Sohil Mehta
2025-10-15 21:17           ` Sohil Mehta
2025-10-17 19:28   ` Sohil Mehta
2025-10-07  6:51 ` [PATCH v10 06/15] x86/efi: Disable LASS while mapping the EFI runtime services Sohil Mehta
2025-10-07  6:51 ` [PATCH v10 07/15] x86/kexec: Disable LASS during relocate kernel Sohil Mehta
2025-10-07 17:43   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-10-07 22:33     ` Sohil Mehta
2025-10-07  6:51 ` [PATCH v10 08/15] x86/vsyscall: Reorganize the page fault emulation code Sohil Mehta
2025-10-07 18:37   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-10-07 18:48     ` Dave Hansen
2025-10-07 19:53       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-10-07 22:52         ` Sohil Mehta
2025-10-08 17:42           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-10-30 16:58       ` Andy Lutomirski
2025-10-30 17:22         ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-10-30 17:35           ` Andy Lutomirski
2025-10-30 19:28         ` Sohil Mehta
2025-10-30 21:37           ` David Laight
2025-10-07  6:51 ` [PATCH v10 09/15] x86/traps: Consolidate user fixups in exc_general_protection() Sohil Mehta
2025-10-07 17:46   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-10-07 22:41     ` Sohil Mehta
2025-10-08 17:43       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-10-07  6:51 ` [PATCH v10 10/15] x86/vsyscall: Add vsyscall emulation for #GP Sohil Mehta
2025-10-07  6:51 ` [PATCH v10 11/15] x86/vsyscall: Disable LASS if vsyscall mode is set to EMULATE Sohil Mehta
2025-10-07 18:43   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-10-07  6:51 ` [PATCH v10 12/15] x86/traps: Communicate a LASS violation in #GP message Sohil Mehta
2025-10-07 18:07   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-10-07  6:51 ` [PATCH v10 13/15] x86/traps: Generalize #GP address decode and hint code Sohil Mehta
2025-10-07 18:43   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-10-07  6:51 ` [PATCH v10 14/15] x86/traps: Provide additional hints for a kernel stack segment fault Sohil Mehta
2025-10-07  6:51 ` [PATCH v10 15/15] x86/cpu: Enable LASS by default during CPU initialization Sohil Mehta
2025-10-07 18:42   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-10-07 16:23 ` [PATCH v10 00/15] x86: Enable Linear Address Space Separation support Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-10-17 19:52   ` Sohil Mehta

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