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From: "Andy Lutomirski" <luto@kernel.org>
To: "Sohil Mehta" <sohil.mehta@intel.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v11 9/9] x86/cpu: Enable LASS by default during CPU initialization
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2025 09:53:41 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ed1a6e12-68cb-4103-946a-761260d18eab@app.fastmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d1b5698e-94ab-45a2-a472-4488895d55bb@intel.com>



On Thu, Oct 30, 2025, at 9:44 AM, Sohil Mehta wrote:
> On 10/30/2025 8:45 AM, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2025, at 1:40 AM, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
>>> Legacy vsyscalls have been obsolete for how long now?
>> 
>> A looooong time.
>> 
>> I would suggest defaulting LASS to on and *maybe* decoding just enough to log, once per boot, that a legacy vsyscall may have been attempted. It’s too bad that #GP doesn’t report the faulting address.
>> 
>
> Unfortunately, CONFIG_X86_VSYSCALL_EMULATION defaults to y. Also, the
> default Vsyscall mode is XONLY. So even if vsyscalls are deprecated,
> there is a non-zero possibility someone would complain about it.
>
> My primary goal here is to get the base LASS series merged (soonish)
> with the simplest possible option.
>
> I am planning to follow-up immediately with a vsyscall specific series
> that relaxes *most* restrictions.
>
> IIUC, supporting XONLY mode with LASS probably does not need complicated
> decoding because the vsyscall address is available in the faulting RIP.
>
> The spec says:
> "LASS for instruction fetches applies when the linear address in RIP is
> used to load an instruction from memory. Unlike canonicality checking
> (see Section 4.5.2), LASS does not apply to branch instructions that
> load RIP. A branch instruction can load RIP with an address that would
> violate LASS. Only when the address is used to fetch an instruction will
> a LASS violation occur, generating a #GP. (The return instruction
> pointer of the #GP handler is the address that incurred the LASS
> violation.)"
>
> I attempted to do that in the last revision here:
> https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20251007065119.148605-9-sohil.mehta@intel.com/
> https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20251007065119.148605-11-sohil.mehta@intel.com/
>
> On the other hand, supporting EMULATE mode during a #GP is a bit tricky,
> which isn't worth the effort.

I would say it's definitely worth the effort, but it probably does make sense to get the rest of the series in a mergeable condition such that it only works with vsyscall=none.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-30 16:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-29 21:03 [PATCH v11 0/9] x86: Enable Linear Address Space Separation support Sohil Mehta
2025-10-29 21:03 ` [PATCH v11 1/9] x86/cpufeatures: Enumerate the LASS feature bits Sohil Mehta
2025-10-31 17:03   ` Dave Hansen
2025-10-29 21:03 ` [PATCH v11 2/9] x86/cpu: Add an LASS dependency on SMAP Sohil Mehta
2025-10-31 17:04   ` Dave Hansen
2025-10-29 21:03 ` [PATCH v11 3/9] x86/asm: Introduce inline memcpy and memset Sohil Mehta
2025-10-31 17:06   ` Dave Hansen
2025-10-29 21:03 ` [PATCH v11 4/9] x86/alternatives: Disable LASS when patching kernel code Sohil Mehta
2025-10-31 17:10   ` Dave Hansen
2025-11-10 18:15   ` Sohil Mehta
2025-11-10 19:09     ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-11-10 19:24     ` Borislav Petkov
2025-11-12 13:56     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2025-11-12 14:51       ` Dave Hansen
2025-11-12 14:57         ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-11-12 15:18           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2025-11-12 15:23             ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-11-12 15:28               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2025-11-12 15:47                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-11-12 16:18                 ` Sohil Mehta
2025-11-12 16:26                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-11-12 16:29                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-10-29 21:03 ` [PATCH v11 5/9] x86/efi: Disable LASS while mapping the EFI runtime services Sohil Mehta
2025-10-31 17:11   ` Dave Hansen
2025-10-31 17:38     ` Andy Lutomirski
2025-10-31 17:41       ` Dave Hansen
2025-10-31 18:03         ` Sohil Mehta
2025-10-31 18:12           ` Dave Hansen
2025-11-07  9:04             ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-07  9:22               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2025-11-07  9:27                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-11-07  9:35                   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2025-11-07  9:40                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-07 10:09                   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2025-11-07 10:27                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-08  0:48                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2025-11-08 16:18                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-11-08 22:50                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-11-07 10:10                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-07 10:17                   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2025-10-31 19:04       ` Sohil Mehta
2025-11-07  7:36         ` Sohil Mehta
2025-10-31 18:32     ` Sohil Mehta
2025-10-29 21:03 ` [PATCH v11 6/9] x86/kexec: Disable LASS during relocate kernel Sohil Mehta
2025-10-31 17:14   ` Dave Hansen
2025-10-29 21:03 ` [PATCH v11 7/9] x86/traps: Communicate a LASS violation in #GP message Sohil Mehta
2025-10-31 17:16   ` Dave Hansen
2025-10-31 19:59     ` Sohil Mehta
2025-10-31 20:03       ` Andy Lutomirski
2025-10-31 20:56       ` Dave Hansen
2025-10-29 21:03 ` [PATCH v11 8/9] selftests/x86: Update the negative vsyscall tests to expect a #GP Sohil Mehta
2025-10-31 17:20   ` Dave Hansen
2025-10-29 21:03 ` [PATCH v11 9/9] x86/cpu: Enable LASS by default during CPU initialization Sohil Mehta
2025-10-30  8:40   ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-10-30 15:45     ` Andy Lutomirski
2025-10-30 16:44       ` Sohil Mehta
2025-10-30 16:53         ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]
2025-10-30 17:24           ` Sohil Mehta
2025-10-30 17:31             ` Andy Lutomirski
2025-10-30 21:13         ` David Laight
2025-10-31  6:41           ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-10-31 16:55           ` Dave Hansen
2025-10-30 16:27     ` Dave Hansen
2025-11-07  8:01       ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-11-07 20:08         ` Sohil Mehta
2025-10-31 17:21   ` Dave Hansen
2025-10-31 20:04     ` Sohil Mehta

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