From: "John Groves" <john@groves.net>
To: "Miklos Szeredi" <miklos@szeredi.hu>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH V12 02/12] famfs: Module operations, fs_context, and mount
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2026 18:53:25 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ed2ce261-50af-4515-99f0-51f69dc206af@app.fastmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJfpeguuL8He4dKC0+CQU3c=Ss9nDEH=9VckB5mqxOr01X2q4Q@mail.gmail.com>
On Mon, Aug 24, 2026, at 2:41 AM, Miklos Szeredi wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 at 23:55, John Groves <john@groves.net> wrote:
>
> > Famfs does work in fuse, but some of the asks are things that I don't see
> > how I can agree to. I think Miklos and I should discuss those 1:1, to figure
> > out if there is a way forward.
> >
> > I think the virtual backing-dev thing is a non-starter,
>
> The virtual backing-dev is an abstraction.
>
> Is it sufficient for you if I promise that this is going to do the
> same thing as the standalone famfs at the same performance level?
>
> > and I think that the famfs
> > portion of the fuse ABI basically can't live without extents that are
> > (daxdev, offset, length).
>
> Sigh. My proposal was (backing-id, offset, length). Again this is an
> abstraction. A backing ID can be a daxdev, a striped logical device
> or it can be a block dev or even a plain file.
>
> > Also, I'm curious: if you don't know of a use case for the striping code outside
> > of famfs, why ask famfs to completely rewrite that? (and I agree, other
> > than the eventual remote possibility of competing 'famfs-ng' fuse servers,
> > I don't see much likelihood that this piece will be shared.)
>
> Because the striping feature fits much better into a virtual device
> API than the extent mapping API. This is how striping has worked in
> linux for the last 30 years.
>
> > Miklos, I trust that you are a good faith actor, although you seem to be
> > spread pretty thin. Can you commit to a series of 1:1 conversations with
> > me to try to work through the disconnects?
>
> Fine, let's find a time.
>
> Thanks,
> Miklos
>
I'll ping you directly about times to talk. Thank you for being willing to do that.
Regards,
John
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-08-24 23:54 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <20260803022730.75731-1-john@jagalactic.com>
2026-08-03 2:27 ` [PATCH V12 00/12] famfs: the Fabric-Attached Memory File System (standalone) John Groves
2026-08-03 2:28 ` [PATCH V12 01/12] dax: replace exported dax_dev_get() with non-allocating dax_dev_find() John Groves
2026-08-03 19:13 ` Alison Schofield
2026-08-05 20:21 ` John Groves
2026-08-03 2:28 ` [PATCH V12 02/12] famfs: Module operations, fs_context, and mount John Groves
2026-08-06 4:37 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-08-06 13:22 ` John Groves
2026-08-11 8:59 ` Miklos Szeredi
2026-08-11 9:24 ` Christian Brauner
2026-08-21 11:39 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-21 19:39 ` Miklos Szeredi
2026-08-22 0:21 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-08-23 2:36 ` John Groves
2026-08-23 13:48 ` Jeff Layton
2026-08-25 13:34 ` Christian Brauner
2026-08-22 21:55 ` John Groves
2026-08-24 7:41 ` Miklos Szeredi
2026-08-24 23:53 ` John Groves [this message]
2026-08-24 14:25 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-03 2:28 ` [PATCH V12 03/12] famfs: Add daxdev table and dax notify_failure support John Groves
2026-08-06 5:05 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-08-06 13:36 ` John Groves
2026-08-03 2:28 ` [PATCH V12 04/12] famfs: Introduce inode_operations and super_operations John Groves
2026-08-06 5:12 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-08-06 16:31 ` John Groves
2026-08-03 2:29 ` [PATCH V12 05/12] famfs: Introduce file_operations read/write John Groves
2026-08-06 5:14 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-08-06 20:03 ` John Groves
2026-08-03 2:29 ` [PATCH V12 06/12] famfs: Introduce mmap and VM fault handling John Groves
2026-08-06 5:16 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-08-06 20:40 ` John Groves
2026-08-03 2:29 ` [PATCH V12 07/12] famfs: MAP_CREATE ioctl and fmap ingest (ABI 44) John Groves
2026-08-06 5:24 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-08-06 20:53 ` John Groves
2026-08-07 22:17 ` John Groves
2026-08-03 2:29 ` [PATCH V12 08/12] famfs: iomap_begin and file-to-dax offset resolution John Groves
2026-08-06 5:28 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-08-06 22:14 ` John Groves
2026-08-03 2:29 ` [PATCH V12 09/12] famfs: Register secondary daxdevs by path (FAMFSIOC_DAXDEV_OPEN) John Groves
2026-08-06 5:29 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-08-06 22:22 ` John Groves
2026-08-03 2:29 ` [PATCH V12 10/12] famfs: Add runtime operation-permission (opts) framework John Groves
2026-08-06 5:31 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-08-06 22:30 ` John Groves
2026-08-03 2:30 ` [PATCH V12 11/12] famfs: Report device capacity via statfs so df works John Groves
2026-08-06 5:33 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-08-07 13:47 ` John Groves
2026-08-03 2:30 ` [PATCH V12 12/12] famfs: Add documentation John Groves
2026-08-06 5:38 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-08-07 15:05 ` John Groves
2026-08-03 8:52 ` [PATCH V12 00/12] famfs: the Fabric-Attached Memory File System (standalone) Amir Goldstein
2026-08-06 5:19 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-08-06 5:34 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-08-10 18:43 ` Amir Goldstein
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