From: Hannes Reinecke <hare@suse.de>
To: alistair23@gmail.com, chuck.lever@oracle.com, hare@kernel.org,
kernel-tls-handshake@lists.linux.dev, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org, linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org
Cc: kbusch@kernel.org, axboe@kernel.dk, hch@lst.de, sagi@grimberg.me,
kch@nvidia.com, Alistair Francis <alistair.francis@wdc.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 0/7] nvme-tcp: Support receiving KeyUpdate requests
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2025 19:46:16 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <fe16288e-e3f2-4de3-838e-181bbb0ce3ee@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251017042312.1271322-1-alistair.francis@wdc.com>
On 10/17/25 06:23, alistair23@gmail.com wrote:
> From: Alistair Francis <alistair.francis@wdc.com>
>
> The TLS 1.3 specification allows the TLS client or server to send a
> KeyUpdate. This is generally used when the sequence is about to
> overflow or after a certain amount of bytes have been encrypted.
>
> The TLS spec doesn't mandate the conditions though, so a KeyUpdate
> can be sent by the TLS client or server at any time. This includes
> when running NVMe-OF over a TLS 1.3 connection.
>
> As such Linux should be able to handle a KeyUpdate event, as the
> other NVMe side could initiate a KeyUpdate.
>
> Upcoming WD NVMe-TCP hardware controllers implement TLS support
> and send KeyUpdate requests.
>
> This series builds on top of the existing TLS EKEYEXPIRED work,
> which already detects a KeyUpdate request. We can now pass that
> information up to the NVMe layer (target and host) and then pass
> it up to userspace.
>
> Userspace (ktls-utils) will need to save the connection state
> in the keyring during the initial handshake. The kernel then
> provides the key serial back to userspace when handling a
> KeyUpdate. Userspace can use this to restore the connection
> information and then update the keys, this final process
> is similar to the initial handshake.
>
I am rather sceptical at the current tlshd implementation.
At which place do you update the sending keys?
I'm only seeing a call to 'gnutls_handhake_update_receiving_key()'.
But I haven't found the matching function
'gnutls_handshake_update_sending_key()' in current gnutls.
So how does updating of the sending keys work?
Cheers,
Hannes
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-10-20 17:46 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-10-17 4:23 [PATCH v4 0/7] nvme-tcp: Support receiving KeyUpdate requests alistair23
2025-10-17 4:23 ` [PATCH v4 1/7] net/handshake: Store the key serial number on completion alistair23
2025-10-17 14:37 ` Chuck Lever
2025-10-17 4:23 ` [PATCH v4 2/7] net/handshake: Define handshake_sk_destruct_req alistair23
2025-10-17 4:23 ` [PATCH v4 3/7] net/handshake: Ensure the request is destructed on completion alistair23
2025-10-17 4:23 ` [PATCH v4 4/7] net/handshake: Support KeyUpdate message types alistair23
2025-10-20 6:09 ` Hannes Reinecke
2025-10-21 3:19 ` Alistair Francis
2025-10-22 4:40 ` Alistair Francis
2025-10-22 7:03 ` Hannes Reinecke
2025-10-22 23:47 ` Alistair Francis
2025-10-17 4:23 ` [PATCH v4 5/7] nvme-tcp: Support KeyUpdate alistair23
2025-10-17 4:29 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-20 6:22 ` Hannes Reinecke
2025-10-22 4:35 ` Alistair Francis
2025-10-22 6:56 ` Hannes Reinecke
2025-10-22 11:16 ` Alistair Francis
2025-10-17 4:23 ` [PATCH v4 6/7] nvme-tcp: Allow userspace to trigger a KeyUpdate with debugfs alistair23
2025-10-17 4:31 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-20 6:33 ` Hannes Reinecke
2025-10-17 4:23 ` [PATCH v4 7/7] nvmet-tcp: Support KeyUpdate alistair23
2025-10-20 6:26 ` Hannes Reinecke
2025-10-20 17:46 ` Hannes Reinecke [this message]
2025-10-21 1:01 ` [PATCH v4 0/7] nvme-tcp: Support receiving KeyUpdate requests Alistair Francis
2025-10-21 6:40 ` Hannes Reinecke
2025-10-22 4:39 ` Alistair Francis
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