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From: Shuai Xue <xueshuai@linux.alibaba.com>
To: "Luck, Tony" <tony.luck@intel.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>
Cc: "nao.horiguchi@gmail.com" <nao.horiguchi@gmail.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/5] mm/hwpoison: Fix regressions in memory failure handling
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2025 14:05:28 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4e13bef2-7402-4f75-8f0c-4a3cc210c5a6@linux.alibaba.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <SJ1PR11MB608335ACA7AEC51F7F6A75D2FCC42@SJ1PR11MB6083.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>



在 2025/2/21 01:50, Luck, Tony 写道:
>>> We could, but I don't like it much. By taking the page offline from the relatively
>>> kind environment of a regular interrupt, we often avoid taking a machine check
>>> (which is an unfriendly environment for software).
>>
>> Right.
>>
>>> We could make the action in uc_decode_notifier() configurable. Default=off
>>> but with a command line option to enable for systems that are stuck with
>>> broadcast machine checks.
>>
>> So we can figure that out during boot - no need for yet another cmdline
>> option.
> 
> Yup. I think the boot time test might be something like:
> 
> 	// Enable UCNA offline for systems with broadcast machine check
> 	if (!(AMD || LMCE))
> 		mce_register_decode_chain(&mce_uc_nb);
>>
>> It still doesn't fix the race and I'd like to fix that instead, in the optimal
>> case.
>>
>> But looking at Shuai's patch, I guess fixing the reporting is fine too - we
>> need to fix the commit message to explain why this thing even happens.
>>
>> I.e., basically what you wrote and Shuai could use that explanation to write
>> a commit message explaining what the situation is along with the background so
>> that when we go back to this later, we will actually know what is going on.
> 
> Agreed. Shaui needs to harvest this thread to fill out the details in the commit
> messages.

Sure, I'd like to add more backgroud details with Tony's explanation.

> 
>>
>> But looking at
>>
>>    046545a661af ("mm/hwpoison: fix error page recovered but reported "not recovered"")
>>
>> That thing was trying to fix the same reporting fail. Why didn't it do that?
>>
>> Ooooh, now I see what the issue is. He doesn't want to kill the process which
>> gets the wrong SIGBUS. Maybe the commit title should've said that:
>>
>>    mm/hwpoison: Do not send SIGBUS to processes with recovered clean pages
>>
>> or so.
>>
>> But how/why is that ok?
>>
>> Are we confident that
>>
>> +        * ret = 0 when poison page is a clean page and it's dropped, no
>> +        * SIGBUS is needed.
>>
>> can *always* and *only* happen when there's a CMCI *and* a #MC race and the
>> CMCI has won the race?
> 
> There are probably other races. Two CPUs both take local #MC on the same page
> (maybe not all that rare in threaded processes ... or even with some hot code in
> a shared library).
> 
>> Can memory poison return 0 there too, for another reason and we end up *not
>> killing* a process which we should have?
>>
>> Hmmm.
> 
> Hmmm indeed. Needs some thought. Though failing to kill a process likely means
> it retries the access and comes right back to try again (without the race this time).
> 

Emmm, if two threaded processes consume a poisond data, there may three CPUs
race, two of which take local #MC on the same page and one take CMCI. For,
example:

#perf script
kworker/48:1-mm 25516 [048]  1713.893549: probe:memory_failure: (ffffffffaa622db4)
         ffffffffaa622db5 memory_failure+0x5 ([kernel.kallsyms])
         ffffffffaa25aa93 uc_decode_notifier+0x73 ([kernel.kallsyms])
         ffffffffaa3068bb notifier_call_chain+0x5b ([kernel.kallsyms])
         ffffffffaa306ae1 blocking_notifier_call_chain+0x41 ([kernel.kallsyms])
         ffffffffaa25bbfe mce_gen_pool_process+0x3e ([kernel.kallsyms])
         ffffffffaa2f455f process_one_work+0x19f ([kernel.kallsyms])
         ffffffffaa2f509c worker_thread+0x20c ([kernel.kallsyms])
         ffffffffaa2fec89 kthread+0xd9 ([kernel.kallsyms])
         ffffffffaa245131 ret_from_fork+0x31 ([kernel.kallsyms])
         ffffffffaa2076ca ret_from_fork_asm+0x1a ([kernel.kallsyms])

einj_mem_uc 44530 [184]  1713.908089: probe:memory_failure: (ffffffffaa622db4)
         ffffffffaa622db5 memory_failure+0x5 ([kernel.kallsyms])
         ffffffffaa2594fb kill_me_maybe+0x5b ([kernel.kallsyms])
         ffffffffaa2fac29 task_work_run+0x59 ([kernel.kallsyms])
         ffffffffaaf52347 irqentry_exit_to_user_mode+0x1c7 ([kernel.kallsyms])
         ffffffffaaf50bce noist_exc_machine_check+0x3e ([kernel.kallsyms])
         ffffffffaa001303 asm_exc_machine_check+0x33 ([kernel.kallsyms])
                   405046 thread+0xe (/home/shawn.xs/ras-tools/einj_mem_uc)

einj_mem_uc 44531 [089]  1713.916319: probe:memory_failure: (ffffffffaa622db4)
         ffffffffaa622db5 memory_failure+0x5 ([kernel.kallsyms])
         ffffffffaa2594fb kill_me_maybe+0x5b ([kernel.kallsyms])
         ffffffffaa2fac29 task_work_run+0x59 ([kernel.kallsyms])
         ffffffffaaf52347 irqentry_exit_to_user_mode+0x1c7 ([kernel.kallsyms])
         ffffffffaaf50bce noist_exc_machine_check+0x3e ([kernel.kallsyms])
         ffffffffaa001303 asm_exc_machine_check+0x33 ([kernel.kallsyms])
                   405046 thread+0xe (/home/shawn.xs/ras-tools/einj_mem_uc)

It seems to complicate the issue further.

IMHO, we should focus on three main points:

- kill_accessing_process() is only called when the flags are set to
   MF_ACTION_REQUIRED, which means it is in the MCE path.
- Whether the page is clean determines the behavior of try_to_unmap. For a
   dirty page, try_to_unmap uses TTU_HWPOISON to unmap the PTE and convert the
   PTE entry to a swap entry. For a clean page, try_to_unmap uses ~TTU_HWPOISON
   and simply unmaps the PTE.
- When does walk_page_range() with hwpoison_walk_ops return 1?
   1. If the poison page still exists, we should of course kill the current
      process.
   2. If the poison page does not exist, but is_hwpoison_entry is true, meaning
      it is a dirty page, we should also kill the current process, too.
   3. Otherwise, it returns 0, which means the page is clean.


Thanks.
Shuai

  reply	other threads:[~2025-02-21  6:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-02-17  6:33 [PATCH v2 0/5] mm/hwpoison: Fix regressions in memory failure handling Shuai Xue
2025-02-17  6:33 ` [PATCH v2 1/5] x86/mce: Collect error message for severities below MCE_PANIC_SEVERITY Shuai Xue
2025-02-18  7:58   ` Borislav Petkov
2025-02-18  9:39     ` Shuai Xue
2025-02-18  9:50       ` Borislav Petkov
2025-02-17  6:33 ` [PATCH v2 2/5] x86/mce: dump error msg from severities Shuai Xue
2025-02-28 12:37   ` Borislav Petkov
2025-03-01  6:16     ` Shuai Xue
2025-03-01 11:10       ` Borislav Petkov
2025-03-01 14:03         ` Shuai Xue
2025-03-01 18:47           ` Borislav Petkov
2025-03-02  7:14             ` Shuai Xue
2025-03-02  7:37               ` Borislav Petkov
2025-03-02  9:13                 ` Shuai Xue
2025-03-03 16:49             ` Luck, Tony
2025-03-03 18:08               ` Yazen Ghannam
2025-03-05  1:50               ` Shuai Xue
2025-03-05 16:16                 ` Luck, Tony
2025-03-05 22:33                   ` Luck, Tony
2025-03-06 15:58                     ` Yazen Ghannam
2025-02-17  6:33 ` [PATCH v2 3/5] x86/mce: add EX_TYPE_EFAULT_REG as in-kernel recovery context to fix copy-from-user operations regression Shuai Xue
2025-02-18 12:54   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-18 13:02     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-18 14:03       ` Shuai Xue
2025-02-18 13:28     ` Shuai Xue
2025-02-18 14:15       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-18 16:48         ` Borislav Petkov
2025-02-19 10:40           ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-21  6:52             ` Shuai Xue
2025-02-17  6:33 ` [PATCH v2 4/5] mm/hwpoison: Fix incorrect "not recovered" report for recovered clean pages Shuai Xue
2025-02-19  6:34   ` Miaohe Lin
2025-02-19  8:54     ` Shuai Xue
2025-02-19 17:15       ` Luck, Tony
2025-02-20  1:16         ` Miaohe Lin
2025-02-17  6:33 ` [PATCH v2 5/5] mm: memory-failure: move return value documentation to function declaration Shuai Xue
2025-02-19  6:31   ` Miaohe Lin
2025-02-18  3:29 ` [PATCH v2 0/5] mm/hwpoison: Fix regressions in memory failure handling Andrew Morton
2025-02-18  8:03   ` Borislav Petkov
2025-02-18  8:27 ` Borislav Petkov
2025-02-18 11:31   ` Shuai Xue
2025-02-18 12:24     ` Borislav Petkov
2025-02-18 13:08       ` Shuai Xue
2025-02-18 13:17         ` Borislav Petkov
2025-02-18 13:53           ` Shuai Xue
2025-02-18 15:31             ` Borislav Petkov
2025-02-19  7:13               ` Shuai Xue
2025-02-18 17:59         ` Luck, Tony
2025-02-19  6:04           ` Shuai Xue
2025-02-18 17:30       ` Luck, Tony
2025-02-19  8:10         ` Borislav Petkov
2025-02-19 17:11           ` Luck, Tony
2025-02-20 11:19             ` Borislav Petkov
2025-02-20 17:50               ` Luck, Tony
2025-02-21  6:05                 ` Shuai Xue [this message]
2025-02-24 22:01                   ` Borislav Petkov
2025-02-25  1:51                     ` Shuai Xue
2025-02-28 12:35                       ` Borislav Petkov
2025-03-01  5:54                         ` Shuai Xue
2025-02-24 21:50                 ` Borislav Petkov

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