From: "Jürgen Groß" <jgross@suse.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org, linux-edac@vger.kernel.org,
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
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Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@kernel.org>,
Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>,
Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
Alexander Shishkin <alexander.shishkin@linux.intel.com>,
Jiri Olsa <jolsa@kernel.org>, Ian Rogers <irogers@google.com>,
Adrian Hunter <adrian.hunter@intel.com>,
James Clark <james.clark@linaro.org>,
Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 0/6] x86/msr: Rename MSR access functions
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2026 15:23:36 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <a49e3a07-1154-4c6a-8763-0bd565cd3179@suse.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260420131020.GI3102624@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>
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On 20.04.26 15:10, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2026 at 03:01:31PM +0200, Jürgen Groß wrote:
>> On 20.04.26 14:33, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>
>>> That is, we have the following instructions: RDMSR, WRMSR, WRMSRNS
>>> And we should have the exact same functions:
>>>
>>> val = rdmsr(msr);
>>> wrmsr(msr, val);
>>> wrmsrns(msr, val);
>>
>> People tend to copy similar code, maybe using older kernels as the source.
>>
>> So even if wrmsrns() would be fine (and, resulting from that, better), they
>> will more likely end up using wrmsr() instead.
>>
>> Using new function names implying the exact semantics (serializing vs.
>> non-serializing) will make it more likely the correct one is being used.
>
> You cannot fix stupid. If you want friction, the label thing will
> ensure 'old' code doesn't compile and will need fixing.
>
> Also, if wrmsrns() really is faster, the performance folks will finger
> 'incorrect' wrmsr() usage sooner or later.
Fine with me. :-)
>
>>> The only interesting question is what to do with the 'safe' aspect. The
>>> instruction takes a fault, we do the extable, but rdmsr() above already
>>> has a return value, so that can't be used.
>>>
>>> One option is to, like uaccess and the proposed overflow, is to use
>>> labels like:
>>>
>>> val = rdmsr(msr, label);
>>>
>>> And then, even though the wrmsr*() functions have the return available,
>>> do we want to be consistent and do:
>>>
>>> wrmsr(msr, val, label);
>>> wrmsrns(msr, val, label);
>>>
>>> rather than be inconsistent and have them have a boolean return for
>>> success.
>>>
>>> What am I missing?
>>
>> I like the idea to use a label, but this would result in the need to use
>> macros instead of functions. So this is trading one aspect against another.
>> I'm not sure which is the better one here.
>>
>> An alternative might be to switch rdmsr() to the interface used by rdmsr_safe(),
>> i.e. let all the accessors return a bool for success/failure and use a pointer
>> for the MSR value in rdmsr().
>
> Yes, either way around works. Perhaps that is 'better' because mostly we
> don't care about the faults since we've checked the 'feature' earlier.
>
> Its just inconvenient to have return in argument crud, but whatever ;-)
Okay, so would you be fine with the following plan?
- drop *_safe() variants, switch the "normal" ones to "safe" semantics.
- make all interfaces return a bool (true == success, false == failure)
- switch all interfaces to use 64-bit values, drop the 32-bit low/high
split variants
- use always_inline functions for all local MSR accessors
This will result in rdmsr(), wrmsr() and wrmsrns() as the only available
MSR access functions (plus the related *_on_cpu[s]() ones).
Juergen
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-04-20 13:23 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-04-20 9:16 [PATCH RFC 0/6] x86/msr: Rename MSR access functions Juergen Gross
2026-04-20 9:16 ` [PATCH RFC 6/6] x86/cpu/mce: Switch code to use new " Juergen Gross
2026-04-20 11:35 ` [PATCH RFC 0/6] x86/msr: Rename " Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-20 11:41 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-20 11:51 ` Jürgen Groß
2026-04-20 13:44 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-04-20 14:04 ` Jürgen Groß
2026-04-20 15:34 ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-04-20 11:49 ` Jürgen Groß
2026-04-20 12:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-20 13:01 ` Jürgen Groß
2026-04-20 13:10 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-20 13:23 ` Jürgen Groß [this message]
2026-04-20 13:36 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-04-20 13:57 ` Jürgen Groß
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