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From: Matthew Garrett <matthew.garrett-05XSO3Yj/JvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Greg KH <gregkh-hQyY1W1yCW8ekmWlsbkhG0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Kees Cook <keescook-F7+t8E8rja9g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH V3 08/11] kexec: Disable at runtime if the kernel enforces module loading restrictions
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 16:59:40 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1378659580.2300.15.camel@x230> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130908163926.GA19665-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>

On Sun, 2013-09-08 at 09:39 -0700, Greg KH wrote:

> But I want, for other reasons (i.e. safety in layers), signed kernel
> modules.  I also might actually want some debugfs files in some random
> driver (like this series removes).

You want a configuration that makes no sense. There's no reason that the
kernel should make that easy.

> Heck, look at Red Hat.  They have been shipping signed kernel modules
> for _years_ and yet they do not disable kexec.  Have they been "doing it
> wrong" all of this time?   Perhaps people want signed modules just for
> support reasons, not "security" reasons.

Then they do what Red Hat does and don't set CONFIG_SIG_ENFORCE.

> Don't take away those options.

Where's the option to let me let unprivileged users set random MSRs?
Where's the option to let root disable STRICT_DEVMEM at runtime? We
don't offer these options because *they make no sense*. Locking your
door while leaving your window open may make you feel better, but it
doesn't improve the security of your house.

-- 
Matthew Garrett <matthew.garrett@nebula.com>

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-09-08 16:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-09-03 23:50 (unknown), Matthew Garrett
2013-09-03 23:50 ` [PATCH V3 01/11] Add secure_modules() call Matthew Garrett
     [not found]   ` <1378252218-18798-2-git-send-email-matthew.garrett-05XSO3Yj/JvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-04  0:45     ` James Morris
2013-09-05  2:14     ` joeyli
2013-09-03 23:50 ` [PATCH V3 02/11] PCI: Lock down BAR access when module security is enabled Matthew Garrett
     [not found]   ` <1378252218-18798-3-git-send-email-matthew.garrett-05XSO3Yj/JvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-04  0:45     ` James Morris
2013-09-04 16:57     ` David Woodhouse
     [not found]       ` <1378313861.4210.39.camel-W2I5cNIroUsVm/YvaOjsyQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-04 17:04         ` Matthew Garrett
2013-09-04 18:58           ` David Woodhouse
     [not found]             ` <1378321109.2627.9.camel-Fexsq3y4057IgHVZqg5X0TlWvGAXklZc@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-04 19:01               ` Matthew Garrett
2013-09-04 19:31                 ` David Woodhouse
2013-09-03 23:50 ` [PATCH V3 03/11] x86: Lock down IO port " Matthew Garrett
2013-09-04  0:45   ` James Morris
     [not found]   ` <1378252218-18798-4-git-send-email-matthew.garrett-05XSO3Yj/JvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-05  3:52     ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]       ` <5227FFE8.5050102-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-05  3:58         ` Matthew Garrett
2013-09-05 15:36           ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-09-03 23:50 ` [PATCH V3 04/11] ACPI: Limit access to custom_method Matthew Garrett
     [not found]   ` <1378252218-18798-5-git-send-email-matthew.garrett-05XSO3Yj/JvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-04  0:46     ` James Morris
2013-09-03 23:50 ` [PATCH V3 05/11] asus-wmi: Restrict debugfs interface when module loading is restricted Matthew Garrett
     [not found]   ` <1378252218-18798-6-git-send-email-matthew.garrett-05XSO3Yj/JvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-04  0:46     ` James Morris
2013-09-03 23:50 ` [PATCH V3 06/11] Restrict /dev/mem and /dev/kmem " Matthew Garrett
     [not found]   ` <1378252218-18798-7-git-send-email-matthew.garrett-05XSO3Yj/JvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-04  0:47     ` James Morris
2013-09-03 23:50 ` [PATCH V3 08/11] kexec: Disable at runtime if the kernel enforces module loading restrictions Matthew Garrett
     [not found]   ` <1378252218-18798-9-git-send-email-matthew.garrett-05XSO3Yj/JvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-04  0:48     ` James Morris
2013-09-04 20:09     ` jerry.hoemann-VXdhtT5mjnY
     [not found]       ` <20130904200959.GE8540-dMAi7lA+vBPDUbYHzcRnttBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-04 20:12         ` Matthew Garrett
2013-09-04 20:14         ` Josh Boyer
2013-09-08  6:40     ` Greg KH
     [not found]       ` <20130908064027.GA3587-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-08  6:44         ` Matthew Garrett
2013-09-08  7:24           ` Greg KH
     [not found]             ` <20130908072408.GA5092-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-08 14:40               ` Matthew Garrett
2013-09-08 15:51               ` Kees Cook
     [not found]                 ` <CAGXu5jLwCt6RtQC+kxcUC69tMydx8DO2QWDv3jK6_mOyT_iNbA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-08 16:18                   ` Greg KH
     [not found]                     ` <20130908161859.GA18946-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-08 16:24                       ` Matthew Garrett
2013-09-08 16:39                         ` Greg KH
     [not found]                           ` <20130908163926.GA19665-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-08 16:59                             ` Matthew Garrett [this message]
2013-09-08 17:22                               ` Greg KH
     [not found]                                 ` <20130908172249.GB20959-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-08 17:25                                   ` Matthew Garrett
2013-09-08 17:11                   ` James Bottomley
     [not found]                     ` <1378660284.2429.11.camel-sFMDBYUN5F8GjUHQrlYNx2Wm91YjaHnnhRte9Li2A+AAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-08 17:15                       ` Matthew Garrett
2013-09-08 17:22                         ` James Bottomley
     [not found]                           ` <1378660975.2429.14.camel-sFMDBYUN5F8GjUHQrlYNx2Wm91YjaHnnhRte9Li2A+AAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-08 17:27                             ` Matthew Garrett
2013-09-08 17:32                               ` James Bottomley
     [not found]                                 ` <1378661576.2429.16.camel-sFMDBYUN5F8GjUHQrlYNx2Wm91YjaHnnhRte9Li2A+AAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-08 17:38                                   ` Matthew Garrett
2013-09-03 23:50 ` [PATCH V3 09/11] uswsusp: Disable when module loading is restricted Matthew Garrett
     [not found]   ` <1378252218-18798-10-git-send-email-matthew.garrett-05XSO3Yj/JvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-04  0:48     ` James Morris
2013-09-05  3:20     ` joeyli
2013-09-03 23:50 ` [PATCH V3 10/11] x86: Restrict MSR access " Matthew Garrett
     [not found]   ` <1378252218-18798-11-git-send-email-matthew.garrett-05XSO3Yj/JvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-04  0:49     ` James Morris
     [not found] ` <1378252218-18798-1-git-send-email-matthew.garrett-05XSO3Yj/JvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-03 23:50   ` [PATCH V3 07/11] acpi: Ignore acpi_rsdp kernel parameter " Matthew Garrett
2013-09-03 23:50   ` [PATCH V3 11/11] Add option to automatically enforce module signatures when in Secure Boot mode Matthew Garrett
2013-09-05  3:13     ` joeyli
     [not found]     ` <1378252218-18798-12-git-send-email-matthew.garrett-05XSO3Yj/JvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-04  1:42       ` James Morris
2013-09-04  1:42         ` Matthew Garrett
2013-09-05  8:24       ` joeyli
2013-09-05 10:16       ` Matt Fleming
     [not found]         ` <20130905101649.GL28598-HNK1S37rvNbeXh+fF434Mdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-05 12:54           ` Matthew Garrett
2013-09-04 15:53   ` Kees Cook
     [not found]     ` <CAGXu5jLCTU1MG4fYDzpT=TAP9DRAUuRuhZNB+edJsOzN4iXbDw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-04 16:05       ` Re: Josh Boyer

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