From: Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>,
Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
Chris Friesen <chris.friesen@genband.com>,
Eric Paris <eparis@parisplace.org>, Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>,
Oliver Neukum <oneukum@suse.de>,
Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
Josh Boyer <jwboyer@gmail.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org, linux-efi@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Second attempt at kernel secure boot support
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 03:53:52 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20121106035352.GA24698@srcf.ucam.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87fw4nv1vj.fsf@xmission.com>
On Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 07:36:32PM -0800, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> For automated installs you don't have to satisfy me. Feel free to
> deliver a lousy solution to your users. Just don't use your arbitrary
> design decisions to justify your kernel patches.
My kernel patches are justified by genuine user requirements. If you
don't feel that there's any requirement for the kernel to satisfy the
people who use it, you're free to ignore those patches.
--
Matthew Garrett | mjg59@srcf.ucam.org
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-11-06 3:53 UTC|newest]
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2012-10-20 0:15 ` [PATCH V2 01/10] Secure boot: Add new capability joeyli
2012-10-20 9:02 ` Matt Fleming
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2012-10-22 13:22 ` [PATCH V2 08/10] efi: Enable secure boot lockdown automatically when enabled in firmware Matt Fleming
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2012-10-29 7:49 ` [RFC] Second attempt at kernel secure boot support Jiri Kosina
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2012-10-29 17:41 ` Matthew Garrett
2012-10-31 14:50 ` Jiri Kosina
2012-10-31 14:54 ` Josh Boyer
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2012-10-31 14:59 ` Shea Levy
2012-10-31 15:55 ` Alan Cox
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2012-10-31 15:55 ` Jiri Kosina
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2012-10-31 17:03 ` Alan Cox
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2012-10-31 17:01 ` Shea Levy
2012-10-31 17:17 ` Alan Cox
2012-10-31 17:10 ` Matthew Garrett
2012-10-31 17:21 ` Alan Cox
[not found] ` <20121031172121.14cc1215-38n7/U1jhRXW96NNrWNlrekiAK3p4hvP@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-31 17:17 ` Matthew Garrett
2012-10-31 17:39 ` Alan Cox
2012-10-31 17:37 ` Matthew Garrett
[not found] ` <20121031173750.GB18615-1xO5oi07KQx4cg9Nei1l7Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-31 17:49 ` Alan Cox
2012-10-31 17:45 ` Matthew Garrett
2012-10-31 20:14 ` Oliver Neukum
2012-10-31 21:58 ` Chris Friesen
[not found] ` <50919EED.3020601-b7o/lNNmKxtBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-31 22:00 ` Jiri Kosina
2012-10-31 22:19 ` Oliver Neukum
2012-11-01 9:08 ` James Bottomley
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2012-11-01 9:20 ` Jiri Kosina
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2012-11-01 9:38 ` James Bottomley
[not found] ` <1351762703.2391.31.camel-sFMDBYUN5F8GjUHQrlYNx2Wm91YjaHnnhRte9Li2A+AAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-01 9:45 ` Jiri Kosina
2012-11-01 9:59 ` James Bottomley
2012-11-01 10:06 ` Jiri Kosina
[not found] ` <1351763954.2391.37.camel-sFMDBYUN5F8GjUHQrlYNx2Wm91YjaHnnhRte9Li2A+AAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-01 14:29 ` Eric Paris
2012-11-01 14:42 ` James Bottomley
[not found] ` <1351780935.2391.58.camel-sFMDBYUN5F8GjUHQrlYNx2Wm91YjaHnnhRte9Li2A+AAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-01 14:49 ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-01 15:06 ` James Bottomley
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2012-11-01 15:17 ` Eric Paris
2012-11-01 16:26 ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-01 15:06 ` Alan Cox
[not found] ` <20121101150654.19efe0b5-38n7/U1jhRXW96NNrWNlrekiAK3p4hvP@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-01 16:29 ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-01 16:40 ` Alan Cox
2012-11-01 14:59 ` Eric Paris
2012-11-01 15:11 ` Alan Cox
[not found] ` <CACLa4pvh3v3Mhq8oe3dzRL8ytBgmitPkCGUSfVCR5WdQopjRMQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-01 15:18 ` James Bottomley
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2012-11-01 17:50 ` Eric Paris
2012-11-01 21:03 ` James Bottomley
2012-11-01 21:06 ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-01 21:14 ` James Bottomley
2012-11-01 21:18 ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-01 21:35 ` Alan Cox
2012-11-01 21:31 ` Alan Cox
2012-11-01 21:28 ` Matthew Garrett
[not found] ` <20121101212843.GA20309-1xO5oi07KQx4cg9Nei1l7Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-01 21:37 ` Alan Cox
2012-11-01 21:34 ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-01 21:58 ` Alan Cox
[not found] ` <20121101215817.79e50ec2-38n7/U1jhRXW96NNrWNlrekiAK3p4hvP@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-01 21:57 ` Matthew Garrett
[not found] ` <20121101215752.GA21154-1xO5oi07KQx4cg9Nei1l7Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-02 8:49 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-02 14:00 ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-02 22:03 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <87liejacix.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-02 22:19 ` Chris Friesen
2012-11-02 23:46 ` Alan Cox
2012-11-03 0:23 ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-03 0:55 ` Alan Cox
2012-11-03 0:20 ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-03 0:47 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-03 1:03 ` Alan Cox
[not found] ` <87sj8rwm0p.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-03 1:43 ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-03 16:31 ` Alan Cox
2012-11-03 16:37 ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-03 16:37 ` Eric Paris
[not found] ` <CACLa4pt3_Fc5fHKf=ihzV0zDb7zvCyzWp92YLakjGqL7MCaiEA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-03 16:42 ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-02 17:19 ` Vivek Goyal
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2012-11-01 14:46 ` Alan Cox
2012-11-01 15:04 ` Eric Paris
2012-11-01 20:27 ` Pavel Machek
2012-11-01 21:02 ` Chris Friesen
[not found] ` <5092E361.7080901-b7o/lNNmKxtBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-02 15:48 ` Vivek Goyal
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2012-11-02 16:54 ` Chris Friesen
[not found] ` <5093FADA.2040004-b7o/lNNmKxtBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-02 17:03 ` Vivek Goyal
2012-11-03 23:09 ` Jiri Kosina
[not found] ` <alpine.LNX.2.00.1211040008280.24253-ztGlSCb7Y1iN3ZZ/Hiejyg@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-05 6:38 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <87390ok0zy.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-05 14:40 ` Jiri Kosina
2012-11-05 15:31 ` Jiri Kosina
2012-11-05 15:37 ` Chris Friesen
2012-11-05 18:22 ` Vivek Goyal
2012-11-02 16:33 ` Pavel Machek
2012-11-02 16:52 ` James Bottomley
[not found] ` <1351875164.2439.42.camel-sFMDBYUN5F8GjUHQrlYNx2Wm91YjaHnnhRte9Li2A+AAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-02 16:54 ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-02 17:48 ` James Bottomley
2012-11-02 17:54 ` Matthew Garrett
[not found] ` <20121102175416.GA11816-1xO5oi07KQx4cg9Nei1l7Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-02 17:57 ` James Bottomley
2012-11-02 18:04 ` Matthew Garrett
[not found] ` <20121102180458.GA12052-1xO5oi07KQx4cg9Nei1l7Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-02 19:18 ` Eric Paris
2012-11-02 23:38 ` James Bottomley
2012-11-03 0:22 ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-03 12:03 ` James Bottomley
2012-11-03 13:46 ` Matthew Garrett
[not found] ` <20121103134630.GA28166-1xO5oi07KQx4cg9Nei1l7Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-03 22:56 ` James Bottomley
[not found] ` <1351983400.2417.21.camel-sFMDBYUN5F8GjUHQrlYNx2Wm91YjaHnnhRte9Li2A+AAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-04 4:28 ` Matthew Garrett
[not found] ` <20121104042802.GA11295-1xO5oi07KQx4cg9Nei1l7Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-04 9:14 ` James Bottomley
2012-11-04 13:52 ` Matthew Garrett
[not found] ` <20121104135251.GA17894-1xO5oi07KQx4cg9Nei1l7Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-05 6:14 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <87d2zsmv8r.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-05 7:12 ` H. Peter Anvin
[not found] ` <509766DB.9090906-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-05 7:24 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <87625kh5r2.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-05 7:40 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-11-05 8:50 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <87k3u0cu1k.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-05 8:53 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-11-05 12:38 ` Matthew Garrett
[not found] ` <20121105123858.GB4374-1xO5oi07KQx4cg9Nei1l7Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-05 13:44 ` Alan Cox
[not found] ` <20121105134436.08993fd6-38n7/U1jhRXW96NNrWNlrekiAK3p4hvP@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-05 13:46 ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-05 19:16 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <87sj8nc137.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-05 20:25 ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-06 2:46 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <87hap3zbw7.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-06 3:12 ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-06 3:36 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-06 3:53 ` Matthew Garrett [this message]
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2012-11-06 5:19 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-06 5:34 ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-06 7:56 ` Florian Weimer
[not found] ` <878vafqi5q.fsf-ZqZwdwZz9NfTBotR3TxKnbNAH6kLmebB@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-06 15:14 ` Chris Friesen
2012-11-06 15:19 ` Jiri Kosina
[not found] ` <50992946.4060101-b7o/lNNmKxtBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-06 21:51 ` Florian Weimer
2012-11-06 21:55 ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-06 22:06 ` Florian Weimer
[not found] ` <87fw4mv11b.fsf-ZqZwdwZz9NfTBotR3TxKnbNAH6kLmebB@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-06 22:31 ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-06 22:49 ` Alan Cox
2012-11-06 22:47 ` Matthew Garrett
[not found] ` <CAMFK0gt7oAr4ArD8FmD8QE+i4g4rSTmQjbbLcjs02xwQeXGx-A@mail.gmail.com>
[not found] ` <CAMFK0gt7oAr4ArD8FmD8QE+i4g4rSTmQjbbLcjs02xwQeXGx-A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-07 14:55 ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-08 10:18 ` James Courtier-Dutton
[not found] ` <CAAMvbhFF=kb8TJ4oE+40Zrx7HD1OkD0NOYj7QEZegZKGtqDm_A@mail.gmail.com>
[not found] ` <CAAMvbhFF=kb8TJ4oE+40Zrx7HD1OkD0NOYj7QEZegZKGtqDm_A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-08 11:19 ` Alan Cox
2012-11-06 9:12 ` Alan Cox
[not found] ` <20121106091217.4a5240f0-38n7/U1jhRXW96NNrWNlrekiAK3p4hvP@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-06 13:17 ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-06 8:13 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2012-11-05 8:20 ` James Bottomley
2012-11-05 12:36 ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-04 11:53 ` Pavel Machek
2012-11-05 21:25 ` Florian Weimer
2012-11-02 14:55 ` Vivek Goyal
2012-11-01 10:12 ` Oliver Neukum
2012-10-31 17:21 ` Jiri Kosina
2012-10-31 15:56 ` Matthew Garrett
[not found] ` <20121031155635.GA14294-1xO5oi07KQx4cg9Nei1l7Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-31 17:08 ` Alan Cox
2012-10-31 17:08 ` Shea Levy
2012-10-31 16:04 ` Jiri Kosina
2012-10-31 16:10 ` Josh Boyer
2012-10-31 15:02 ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-02 15:30 ` Vivek Goyal
2012-11-02 15:42 ` Matthew Garrett
[not found] ` <20121102154248.GA7681-1xO5oi07KQx4cg9Nei1l7Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-02 15:52 ` Vivek Goyal
2012-11-02 16:22 ` Jiri Kosina
2012-11-02 18:30 ` Vivek Goyal
2012-11-02 16:35 ` Shuah Khan
[not found] ` <20121031150201.GA12394-1xO5oi07KQx4cg9Nei1l7Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-31 15:05 ` Shea Levy
[not found] ` <50913E24.1010009-yfkUTty7RcRWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-31 15:09 ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-06 12:51 ` Jiri Kosina
[not found] ` <alpine.LNX.2.00.1211061350100.24253-ztGlSCb7Y1iN3ZZ/Hiejyg@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-06 13:16 ` Matthew Garrett
[not found] ` <20121029174131.GC7580-1xO5oi07KQx4cg9Nei1l7Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-31 17:28 ` Takashi Iwai
[not found] ` <s5hobjia6vj.wl%tiwai-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-31 17:37 ` Matthew Garrett
2012-10-31 17:44 ` Alan Cox
2012-10-31 17:44 ` Matthew Garrett
2012-10-31 18:53 ` Takashi Iwai
2012-11-01 4:21 ` joeyli
[not found] ` <1351743715.21227.95.camel-ONCj+Eqt86TasUa73XJKwA@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-01 13:18 ` Alan Cox
[not found] ` <20121101131849.752df6fd-38n7/U1jhRXW96NNrWNlrekiAK3p4hvP@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-05 17:13 ` Takashi Iwai
2012-11-05 17:18 ` [PATCH RFC 0/4] Add firmware signature file check Takashi Iwai
2012-11-05 17:19 ` [PATCH RFC 1/4] scripts/sign-file: Allow specifying hash algorithm via -a option Takashi Iwai
2012-11-05 17:19 ` [PATCH RFC 2/4] scripts/sign-file: Support firmware signing Takashi Iwai
2012-11-05 17:20 ` [PATCH RFC 3/4] firmware: Add a signature check Takashi Iwai
2012-11-05 17:20 ` [PATCH RFC 4/4] firmware: Install signature files automatically Takashi Iwai
2012-11-05 18:12 ` [PATCH RFC 0/4] Add firmware signature file check Takashi Iwai
[not found] ` <s5hhap49den.wl%tiwai-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-05 20:43 ` Josh Boyer
2012-11-06 6:46 ` Takashi Iwai
2012-11-06 9:20 ` Alan Cox
2012-11-06 10:05 ` Takashi Iwai
2012-11-06 0:01 ` David Howells
2012-11-06 0:05 ` David Howells
[not found] ` <5839.1352160112-S6HVgzuS8uM4Awkfq6JHfwNdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-06 7:01 ` Takashi Iwai
2012-11-06 2:30 ` Ming Lei
2012-11-06 5:46 ` lee joey
[not found] ` <CACVXFVN8qPTgiYKXaeKFJXLXMjLE=+=8Vev2otD3v1VMk+Ez_w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-06 7:03 ` Takashi Iwai
2012-11-06 7:16 ` Ming Lei
2012-11-06 7:32 ` Takashi Iwai
[not found] ` <s5h4nl3i3u6.wl%tiwai-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-06 8:04 ` Ming Lei
2012-11-06 8:18 ` Takashi Iwai
2012-11-06 10:04 ` Ming Lei
2012-11-06 10:17 ` Takashi Iwai
[not found] ` <s5h4nl39gt9.wl%tiwai-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-06 10:40 ` Ming Lei
2012-11-06 10:53 ` Takashi Iwai
2012-11-06 11:03 ` Ming Lei
2012-11-06 11:15 ` Alan Cox
[not found] ` <CAGB3EUTrSMDhja9Gu3h7nuZX+H2_owp8MnUNwbZuCW=_GuawqQ@mail.gmail.com>
[not found] ` <CAGB3EUTrSMDhja9Gu3h7nuZX+H2_owp8MnUNwbZuCW=_GuawqQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-06 7:06 ` Takashi Iwai
2012-11-06 7:30 ` Ming Lei
2012-11-08 17:35 ` [PATCH RFC v2 " Takashi Iwai
2012-11-08 17:35 ` [PATCH RFC v2 1/4] firmware: Add the firmware signing support to scripts/sign-file Takashi Iwai
2012-11-23 6:51 ` joeyli
2012-11-08 17:35 ` [PATCH RFC v2 2/4] firmware: Add -a option " Takashi Iwai
[not found] ` <1352396109-3989-3-git-send-email-tiwai-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-23 6:51 ` joeyli
2012-11-08 17:35 ` [PATCH RFC v2 3/4] firmware: Add support for signature checks Takashi Iwai
[not found] ` <1352396109-3989-4-git-send-email-tiwai-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-23 6:56 ` joeyli
2012-11-23 7:34 ` Takashi Iwai
[not found] ` <1352396109-3989-1-git-send-email-tiwai-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-08 17:35 ` [PATCH RFC v2 4/4] firmware: Install firmware signature files automatically Takashi Iwai
[not found] ` <1352396109-3989-5-git-send-email-tiwai-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-23 6:52 ` joeyli
[not found] ` <1348152065-31353-8-git-send-email-mjg@redhat.com>
[not found] ` <20120920163237.GA11077@kroah.com>
[not found] ` <20120925130818.GE18546@hansolo.jdub.homelinux.org>
[not found] ` <20120925130818.GE18546-dHPIJuKSOV01V+h/cAXI7w8O6CCKKCg3HZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-29 9:00 ` [PATCH V3 07/10] Secure boot: Add a dummy kernel parameter that will switch on Secure Boot mode joeyli
2012-10-30 17:48 ` Josh Boyer
2012-10-30 19:27 ` joeyli
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