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From: Matthew Garrett <mjg59-1xO5oi07KQx4cg9Nei1l7Q@public.gmane.org>
To: James Bottomley
	<James.Bottomley-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
Cc: David Woodhouse <dwmw2-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>,
	"John W. Linville"
	<linville-2XuSBdqkA4R54TAoqtyWWQ@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-efi-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: UEFI Plugfest 2013 -- New Orleans
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 18:47:43 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130819174743.GA25193@srcf.ucam.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1376933926.2069.52.camel-sFMDBYUN5F8GjUHQrlYNx2Wm91YjaHnnhRte9Li2A+AAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>

On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 10:38:46AM -0700, James Bottomley wrote:

> It's not about us removing the code, it's about us having an accurate
> compliance test.  There are two reasons for having a fully correct
> compliance test
> 
>      1. Our work arounds have unintended consequences which have knock
>         on effects which mean that you don't know if a test failure is
>         real or an unintended consequence of a work around.

It doesn't matter. If a platform is supposed to run Linux 3.6 then it 
has to run Linux 3.6 regardless of whether or not the failure is due to 
a firmware bug or a bug in the kernel. The platform vendor will be 
obliged to fix it in the firmware no matter what the test suite says.

>      2. New features in specs tend to build on previous features, so
>         we're going to have a hard time constructing accurate tests for
>         layered features where we've done a work around for the base
>         feature.

Which is easily rectified if the specification is modified to describe 
reality instead.

-- 
Matthew Garrett | mjg59-1xO5oi07KQx4cg9Nei1l7Q@public.gmane.org

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-08-19 17:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-08-16 15:20 UEFI Plugfest 2013 -- New Orleans John W. Linville
     [not found] ` <20130816152030.GL2133-2XuSBdqkA4R54TAoqtyWWQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-08-17  0:44   ` James Bottomley
2013-08-19  8:25 ` David Woodhouse
     [not found]   ` <1376900735.2322.26.camel-Fexsq3y4057IgHVZqg5X0TlWvGAXklZc@public.gmane.org>
2013-08-19 12:55     ` Matthew Garrett
     [not found]       ` <20130819125507.GA19093-1xO5oi07KQx4cg9Nei1l7Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-08-19 15:22         ` James Bottomley
2013-08-19 16:00           ` Matthew Garrett
     [not found]             ` <20130819160018.GA22532-1xO5oi07KQx4cg9Nei1l7Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-08-19 17:02               ` James Bottomley
     [not found]                 ` <1376931775.2069.46.camel-sFMDBYUN5F8GjUHQrlYNx2Wm91YjaHnnhRte9Li2A+AAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-08-19 17:21                   ` Matthew Garrett
2013-08-19 17:38                     ` James Bottomley
     [not found]                       ` <1376933926.2069.52.camel-sFMDBYUN5F8GjUHQrlYNx2Wm91YjaHnnhRte9Li2A+AAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-08-19 17:47                         ` Matthew Garrett [this message]
2013-08-19 20:09                         ` David Woodhouse
     [not found]                           ` <1376942994.2322.39.camel-Fexsq3y4057IgHVZqg5X0TlWvGAXklZc@public.gmane.org>
2013-08-19 20:19                             ` Matthew Garrett
     [not found]                               ` <20130819201952.GA28740-1xO5oi07KQx4cg9Nei1l7Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-08-19 20:21                                 ` David Woodhouse
     [not found]                                   ` <1376943671.2322.40.camel-Fexsq3y4057IgHVZqg5X0TlWvGAXklZc@public.gmane.org>
2013-08-19 20:39                                     ` Matthew Garrett
     [not found]                                       ` <20130819203937.GA28967-1xO5oi07KQx4cg9Nei1l7Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-08-19 21:06                                         ` David Woodhouse
     [not found]                                           ` <1376946411.5087.2.camel-Fexsq3y4057IgHVZqg5X0TlWvGAXklZc@public.gmane.org>
2013-08-19 21:30                                             ` Matthew Garrett
2013-09-02  7:42                                       ` Alex Elsayed
2013-09-02  6:23                             ` Matt Fleming
2013-08-19 15:17     ` Borislav Petkov

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