From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Matthew Garrett Subject: Re: UEFI Plugfest 2013 -- New Orleans Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 22:30:05 +0100 Message-ID: <20130819213005.GA30211@srcf.ucam.org> References: <1376925765.2069.24.camel@dabdike.int.hansenpartnership.com> <20130819160018.GA22532@srcf.ucam.org> <1376931775.2069.46.camel@dabdike.int.hansenpartnership.com> <20130819172139.GA24393@srcf.ucam.org> <1376933926.2069.52.camel@dabdike.int.hansenpartnership.com> <1376942994.2322.39.camel@shinybook.infradead.org> <20130819201952.GA28740@srcf.ucam.org> <1376943671.2322.40.camel@shinybook.infradead.org> <20130819203937.GA28967@srcf.ucam.org> <1376946411.5087.2.camel@shinybook.infradead.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Return-path: Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1376946411.5087.2.camel-Fexsq3y4057IgHVZqg5X0TlWvGAXklZc@public.gmane.org> Sender: linux-efi-owner-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org To: David Woodhouse Cc: James Bottomley , "John W. Linville" , linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org, linux-efi-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org List-Id: linux-efi@vger.kernel.org On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 10:06:51PM +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: > You effectively seem to be suggesting that nothing will ever get better > on the UEFI side, and the only benefit of the plugfest is that we get to > see the latest brokenness and try to come up with a workaround for it > before the consumers are afflicted with it? Pretty much. There's a decent chance that board vendors already have the broken code before we end up testing against it. > That's a really pessimistic view, and I'd really like us to be a little > more optimistic. Things can't be, or at least can't *stay*, that bad. > Surely? Most vendors don't care about testing against Linux, and we can't make them care. What they're more likely to test against is the SCT, and extending that to cover a wider range of test cases (such as exhausting variable space) is much more likely to result in things being caught before anything is shipped - but even then, board vendors are going to take IBV code, perform "value add", never run a test suite and just make sure it boots Windows. -- Matthew Garrett | mjg59-1xO5oi07KQx4cg9Nei1l7Q@public.gmane.org