linux-efi.vger.kernel.org archive mirror
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
To: Jan Beulich <JBeulich-IBi9RG/b67k@public.gmane.org>
Cc: "Ian.Campbell-Sxgqhf6Nn4DQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org"
	<Ian.Campbell-Sxgqhf6Nn4DQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	"julien.grall-Sxgqhf6Nn4DQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org"
	<julien.grall-Sxgqhf6Nn4DQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Stefano Stabellini
	<stefano.stabellini-mvvWK6WmYclDPfheJLI6IQ@public.gmane.org>,
	"freebsd-arm-h+KGxgPPiopAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org"
	<freebsd-arm-h+KGxgPPiopAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>,
	"peter.huangpeng-hv44wF8Li93QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org"
	<peter.huangpeng-hv44wF8Li93QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Shannon Zhao
	<zhaoshenglong-hv44wF8Li93QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	"matt.fleming-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org"
	<matt.fleming-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	"ard.biesheuvel-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org"
	<ard.biesheuvel-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	"christoffer.dall-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org"
	<christoffer.dall-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	"leif.lindholm-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org"
	<leif.lindholm-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	"shannon.zhao-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org"
	<shannon.zhao-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>,
	"xen-devel-GuqFBffKawuEi8DpZVb4nw@public.gmane.org"
	<xen-devel-GuqFBffKawuEi8DpZVb4nw@public.gmane.org>,
	"daniel.kiper-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org"
	<daniel.kiper-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
	<konrad.wilk-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	"devicetree-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<devicetree-u79uwXL29TaqPxH82wqD4g@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] efi/libstub/fdt: Standardize the names of EFI stub parameters
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2015 17:36:05 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150911163605.GC8726@leverpostej> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <55F1B89802000078000A1C9B-rw/UEucdPrvD8XXLLHKrIiOjQekVJEpY@public.gmane.org>

> >> Considering that the EFI support is just for Dom0, and Dom0 (at
> >> the time) had to be PV anyway, it was the more natural solution to
> >> expose the interface via hypercalls, the more that this allows better
> >> control over what is and primarily what is not being exposed to
> >> Dom0. With the wrapper approach we'd be back to the same
> >> problem (discussed elsewhere) of which EFI version to surface: The
> >> host one would impose potentially missing extensions, while the
> >> most recent hypervisor known one might imply hiding valuable
> >> information from Dom0. Plus there are incompatible changes like
> >> the altered meaning of EFI_MEMORY_WP in 2.5.
> > 
> > I'm not sure I follow how hypercalls solve any impedance mismatch here;
> > you're still expecting Dom0 to call up to Xen in order to perform calls,
> > and all I suggested was a different location for those hypercalls.
> > 
> > If Xen is happy to make such calls blindly, why does it matter if the
> > hypercall was in the kernel binary or an external shim?
> 
> Because there could be new entries in SystemTable->RuntimeServices
> (expected and blindly but validly called by the kernel). Even worse
> (because likely harder to deal with) would be new fields in other
> structures.

Any of these could cause Xen to blow up, while Xen could always provide
a known-safe (but potentially sub-optimal) view to the kernel by
default.

> > Incompatible changes are a spec problem regardless of how this is
> > handled.
> 
> Not necessarily - we don't expose the memory map (we'd have to
> if we were to mimic EFI for Dom0), and hence the mentioned issue
> doesn't exist in our model.

We have to expose _some_ memory map, so I don't follow this point.

Mark.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-09-11 16:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-10  8:41 [PATCH] efi/libstub/fdt: Standardize the names of EFI stub parameters Shannon Zhao
     [not found] ` <1441874516-11364-1-git-send-email-zhaoshenglong-hv44wF8Li93QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-10  9:52   ` Mark Rutland
2015-09-10 10:19     ` Stefano Stabellini
     [not found]       ` <alpine.DEB.2.02.1509101116580.2672-7Z66fg9igcxYtxbxJUhB2Dgeux46jI+i@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-10 11:24         ` Mark Rutland
2015-09-10 11:37           ` Stefano Stabellini
2015-09-10 12:15             ` Mark Rutland
2015-09-10 12:58               ` [Xen-devel] " Ian Campbell
2015-09-10 13:08                 ` Jan Beulich
     [not found]                   ` <55F19D0202000078000A1B54-rw/UEucdPrvD8XXLLHKrIiOjQekVJEpY@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-10 13:30                     ` Ian Campbell
2015-09-10 13:52               ` Stefano Stabellini
     [not found]                 ` <alpine.DEB.2.02.1509101429480.2672-7Z66fg9igcxYtxbxJUhB2Dgeux46jI+i@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-10 14:13                   ` Leif Lindholm
2015-09-10 14:49                   ` Mark Rutland
2015-09-10 16:10                     ` Stefano Stabellini
2015-09-10 16:23                       ` Mark Rutland
2015-09-11 12:46                         ` Daniel Kiper
     [not found]                           ` <20150911124643.GB4530-fJNZiO034lp9pOct4yEdx/3oZC3j2Omk@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-11 13:14                             ` Stefano Stabellini
2015-09-11 13:30                               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2015-09-11 15:45                                 ` Daniel Kiper
2015-09-14  8:42                                   ` Shannon Zhao
2015-09-14  9:09                                     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2015-09-14  9:31                                       ` Shannon Zhao
     [not found]                                         ` <55F693F5.8030203-hv44wF8Li93QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-14  9:36                                           ` Ard Biesheuvel
     [not found]                                             ` <CAKv+Gu-2kyd3Gf3ceSa1jdgCjqJ8zBCesa4xehLiZ+VzergS3Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-14 10:39                                               ` [Xen-devel] " Jan Beulich
     [not found]                                                 ` <55F6C01502000078000A2823-rw/UEucdPrvD8XXLLHKrIiOjQekVJEpY@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-14 11:16                                                   ` Ard Biesheuvel
     [not found]                                                     ` <CAKv+Gu_k4-BqW7CQwB82-GfeXXNKk0bCjr=ZNFy1iDBNzKNWSg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-14 11:34                                                       ` Jan Beulich
2015-09-11 16:33                                 ` Mark Rutland
2015-09-11 16:25                             ` Mark Rutland
2015-09-12 11:36                               ` Daniel Kiper
2015-09-14  9:25                                 ` Mark Rutland
2015-09-14  9:43                                   ` Ard Biesheuvel
     [not found]                                     ` <CAKv+Gu9ER1cKvPHobq-wo7ggPesJj4OQ7=aTr24GVpubHvVqjQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-14  9:57                                       ` Ian Campbell
     [not found]                                         ` <1442224673.3549.131.camel-Sxgqhf6Nn4DQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-14 10:02                                           ` Ard Biesheuvel
     [not found]                                             ` <CAKv+Gu_Gh649EwdtodLY9Q28JhqYg8o6RShXXH1ZbxsfYRfi2Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-14 10:25                                               ` Ian Campbell
2015-09-14 12:28                                       ` Daniel Kiper
     [not found]                                         ` <20150914122858.GI4530-fJNZiO034lp9pOct4yEdx/3oZC3j2Omk@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-14 13:09                                           ` Ard Biesheuvel
     [not found]                                             ` <CAKv+Gu_z2X=9-qgoKTS7dKLqtSUvysyu9LzZryJqcSR4X8Ss6A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-14 13:57                                               ` Daniel Kiper
2015-09-14  9:47                                   ` Stefano Stabellini
2015-09-14 12:19                                   ` Daniel Kiper
     [not found]                       ` <alpine.DEB.2.02.1509101655020.2672-7Z66fg9igcxYtxbxJUhB2Dgeux46jI+i@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-11 11:00                         ` Ian Campbell
2015-09-10 12:55             ` Jan Beulich
2015-09-10 14:53               ` Mark Rutland
2015-09-10 15:06                 ` Jan Beulich
     [not found]                   ` <55F1B89802000078000A1C9B-rw/UEucdPrvD8XXLLHKrIiOjQekVJEpY@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-11 16:36                     ` Mark Rutland [this message]
2015-09-10 11:32 ` Andrew Turner
     [not found]   ` <20150910123251.7e0810d1-I/y7IllHY3//9pzu0YdTqQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-10 11:48     ` Julien Grall
2015-09-10 12:05       ` Roger Pau Monné
     [not found]         ` <55F1721D.1010801-Sxgqhf6Nn4DQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-10 12:53           ` [Xen-devel] " Julien Grall
2015-09-17 11:43 ` Shannon Zhao

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=20150911163605.GC8726@leverpostej \
    --to=mark.rutland-5wv7dgnigg8@public.gmane.org \
    --cc=Ian.Campbell-Sxgqhf6Nn4DQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org \
    --cc=JBeulich-IBi9RG/b67k@public.gmane.org \
    --cc=ard.biesheuvel-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org \
    --cc=christoffer.dall-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org \
    --cc=daniel.kiper-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org \
    --cc=devicetree-u79uwXL29TaqPxH82wqD4g@public.gmane.org \
    --cc=freebsd-arm-h+KGxgPPiopAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org \
    --cc=julien.grall-Sxgqhf6Nn4DQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org \
    --cc=konrad.wilk-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org \
    --cc=leif.lindholm-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org \
    --cc=linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org \
    --cc=matt.fleming-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org \
    --cc=peter.huangpeng-hv44wF8Li93QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org \
    --cc=shannon.zhao-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org \
    --cc=stefano.stabellini-mvvWK6WmYclDPfheJLI6IQ@public.gmane.org \
    --cc=xen-devel-GuqFBffKawuEi8DpZVb4nw@public.gmane.org \
    --cc=zhaoshenglong-hv44wF8Li93QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).