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From: Daniel Kiper <daniel.kiper@oracle.com>
To: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] efi/libstub/fdt: Standardize the names of EFI stub parameters
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 14:19:36 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150914121936.GH4530@olila.local.net-space.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150914092518.GA10307@leverpostej>

On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 10:25:19AM +0100, Mark Rutland wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 12:36:55PM +0100, Daniel Kiper wrote:
> > On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 05:25:59PM +0100, Mark Rutland wrote:
> > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 01:46:43PM +0100, Daniel Kiper wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 05:23:02PM +0100, Mark Rutland wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > > > > What's troublesome with the boot services?
> > > > >
> > > > > What can't be simulated?
> > > >
> > > > How do you want to access bare metal EFI boot services from dom0 if they
> > > > were shutdown long time ago before loading dom0 image?
> > >
> > > I don't want to.
> > >
> > > I asked "What can't be simulated?" because I assumed everything
> > > necessary/mandatory could be simulated without needinng access to any
> > > real EFI boot services.
> > >
> > > As far as I can see all that's necessary is to provide a compatible
> > > interface.
> >
> > Could you be more precise what do you need? Please enumerate. UEFI spec has
> > more than 2500 pages and I do not think that we need all stuff in dom0.
> >
> > > > What do you need from EFI boot services in dom0?
> > >
> > > The ability to call ExitBootServices() and SetVirtualAddressMap() on a
> > > _virtual_ address map for _virtual_ services provided by the hypervisor.
> >
> > I am confused. Why do you need that? Please remember, EFI is owned and
> > operated by Xen hypervisor. dom0 does not have direct access to EFI.
>
> Let's take a step back.
>
> My objection here is to passing the Dom0 kernel properties as if it were
> booted with direct access to a full UEFI, then later fixing that up
> (when Xen is detected and we apply its hypercall EFI implementation).
>
> If the kernel cannot use EFI natively, why pretend to the kernel that it
> can? The hypercall implementation is _not_ EFI (though it provides
> access to some services).
>
> The two ways I can see providing Dom0 with EFI services are:
>
> * Have Xen create shims for any services, in which any hypercalls live,
>   and pass these to the kernel with a virtual system table. This keeps
>   the interface to the kernel the same regardless of Xen.
>
> * Have the kernel detect Xen EFI capability via Xen, without passing the
>   usual native EFI parameters. This can then be installed into the
>   kernel in a Xen-specific manner, and we know from the outset that
>   Xen-specific caveats apply.

It works on x86 in that way and I suppose that it can work in that way on ARM too.
So, just go and reuse existing code. That is all.

Daniel

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-09-14 12:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-10  8:41 [PATCH] efi/libstub/fdt: Standardize the names of EFI stub parameters Shannon Zhao
     [not found] ` <1441874516-11364-1-git-send-email-zhaoshenglong-hv44wF8Li93QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-10  9:52   ` Mark Rutland
2015-09-10 10:19     ` Stefano Stabellini
     [not found]       ` <alpine.DEB.2.02.1509101116580.2672-7Z66fg9igcxYtxbxJUhB2Dgeux46jI+i@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-10 11:24         ` Mark Rutland
2015-09-10 11:37           ` Stefano Stabellini
2015-09-10 12:15             ` Mark Rutland
2015-09-10 12:58               ` [Xen-devel] " Ian Campbell
2015-09-10 13:08                 ` Jan Beulich
     [not found]                   ` <55F19D0202000078000A1B54-rw/UEucdPrvD8XXLLHKrIiOjQekVJEpY@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-10 13:30                     ` Ian Campbell
2015-09-10 13:52               ` Stefano Stabellini
     [not found]                 ` <alpine.DEB.2.02.1509101429480.2672-7Z66fg9igcxYtxbxJUhB2Dgeux46jI+i@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-10 14:13                   ` Leif Lindholm
2015-09-10 14:49                   ` Mark Rutland
2015-09-10 16:10                     ` Stefano Stabellini
2015-09-10 16:23                       ` Mark Rutland
2015-09-11 12:46                         ` Daniel Kiper
     [not found]                           ` <20150911124643.GB4530-fJNZiO034lp9pOct4yEdx/3oZC3j2Omk@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-11 13:14                             ` Stefano Stabellini
2015-09-11 13:30                               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2015-09-11 15:45                                 ` Daniel Kiper
2015-09-14  8:42                                   ` Shannon Zhao
2015-09-14  9:09                                     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2015-09-14  9:31                                       ` Shannon Zhao
     [not found]                                         ` <55F693F5.8030203-hv44wF8Li93QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-14  9:36                                           ` Ard Biesheuvel
     [not found]                                             ` <CAKv+Gu-2kyd3Gf3ceSa1jdgCjqJ8zBCesa4xehLiZ+VzergS3Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-14 10:39                                               ` [Xen-devel] " Jan Beulich
     [not found]                                                 ` <55F6C01502000078000A2823-rw/UEucdPrvD8XXLLHKrIiOjQekVJEpY@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-14 11:16                                                   ` Ard Biesheuvel
     [not found]                                                     ` <CAKv+Gu_k4-BqW7CQwB82-GfeXXNKk0bCjr=ZNFy1iDBNzKNWSg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-14 11:34                                                       ` Jan Beulich
2015-09-11 16:33                                 ` Mark Rutland
2015-09-11 16:25                             ` Mark Rutland
2015-09-12 11:36                               ` Daniel Kiper
2015-09-14  9:25                                 ` Mark Rutland
2015-09-14  9:43                                   ` Ard Biesheuvel
     [not found]                                     ` <CAKv+Gu9ER1cKvPHobq-wo7ggPesJj4OQ7=aTr24GVpubHvVqjQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-14  9:57                                       ` Ian Campbell
     [not found]                                         ` <1442224673.3549.131.camel-Sxgqhf6Nn4DQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-14 10:02                                           ` Ard Biesheuvel
     [not found]                                             ` <CAKv+Gu_Gh649EwdtodLY9Q28JhqYg8o6RShXXH1ZbxsfYRfi2Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-14 10:25                                               ` Ian Campbell
2015-09-14 12:28                                       ` Daniel Kiper
     [not found]                                         ` <20150914122858.GI4530-fJNZiO034lp9pOct4yEdx/3oZC3j2Omk@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-14 13:09                                           ` Ard Biesheuvel
     [not found]                                             ` <CAKv+Gu_z2X=9-qgoKTS7dKLqtSUvysyu9LzZryJqcSR4X8Ss6A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-14 13:57                                               ` Daniel Kiper
2015-09-14  9:47                                   ` Stefano Stabellini
2015-09-14 12:19                                   ` Daniel Kiper [this message]
     [not found]                       ` <alpine.DEB.2.02.1509101655020.2672-7Z66fg9igcxYtxbxJUhB2Dgeux46jI+i@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-11 11:00                         ` Ian Campbell
2015-09-10 12:55             ` Jan Beulich
2015-09-10 14:53               ` Mark Rutland
2015-09-10 15:06                 ` Jan Beulich
     [not found]                   ` <55F1B89802000078000A1C9B-rw/UEucdPrvD8XXLLHKrIiOjQekVJEpY@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-11 16:36                     ` Mark Rutland
2015-09-10 11:32 ` Andrew Turner
     [not found]   ` <20150910123251.7e0810d1-I/y7IllHY3//9pzu0YdTqQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-10 11:48     ` Julien Grall
2015-09-10 12:05       ` Roger Pau Monné
     [not found]         ` <55F1721D.1010801-Sxgqhf6Nn4DQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-10 12:53           ` [Xen-devel] " Julien Grall
2015-09-17 11:43 ` Shannon Zhao

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