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From: Borislav Petkov <bp-Gina5bIWoIWzQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Matt Fleming
	<matt-mF/unelCI9GS6iBeEJttW/XRex20P6io@public.gmane.org>,
	Kees Cook <keescook-F7+t8E8rja9g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Kosuke Tatsukawa <tatsu-zZGIbrA41Td8UrSeD/g0lQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	"x86-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org"
	<x86-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-efi-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-efi-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] x86: Fix kernel panic when booting with XD disabled in uEFI firmware
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 15:19:46 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151208141946.GD27180@pd.tnic> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151208122557.GA2518-mF/unelCI9GS6iBeEJttW/XRex20P6io@public.gmane.org>

On Tue, Dec 08, 2015 at 12:25:57PM +0000, Matt Fleming wrote:
> On Mon, 07 Dec, at 11:10:43PM, Kosuke Tatsukawa wrote:
> > 
> > Thank you pointing that out.
> > 
> > linux-4.4-rc3 booted without a problem on a real server even with XD
> > turned off by the firmware.  I didn't notice this before because I was

The aforementioned patch reenables NX.

> Borislav, what do you think about stripping PAGE_NX from 'page_flags'
> in kernel_map_pages_in_pgd() if NX isn't supported, rather than
> returning EINVAL? At least that way EFI runtime services would still
> work.

I guess we can - I mean, I don't see what can go wrong more when
allowing the kernel to execute even NX UEFI regions. Maybe easier
generation of "gadgets" in the ROP sense ...

On a related node, I'm very sceptical of the existence of this "noexec"
chicken bit, if you ask me. It is a really bad idea, security-wise, to
disable NX. Is there even a valid use case to disable NX?

Because if not, I'd vote for removing that chicken bit or at least
taining the kernel with

	add_taint(TAINT_USER_MORON, ... );

Kees, has this NX disabling practice come up in the past, per chance... ?

Thanks.

-- 
Regards/Gruss,
    Boris.

ECO tip #101: Trim your mails when you reply.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-12-08 14:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-12-03 23:58 [PATCH 1/2] x86: Fix kernel panic when booting with XD disabled in uEFI firmware Kosuke Tatsukawa
     [not found] ` <17EC94B0A072C34B8DCF0D30AD16044A0288E2D7-9lrffkYxhwTt6d3pZDjeaEtBU8KWyXPq@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-04 16:40   ` Matt Fleming
     [not found]     ` <20151204164057.GE2514-mF/unelCI9GS6iBeEJttW/XRex20P6io@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-07 23:10       ` Kosuke Tatsukawa
     [not found]         ` <17EC94B0A072C34B8DCF0D30AD16044A0288EFC7-9lrffkYxhwTt6d3pZDjeaEtBU8KWyXPq@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-08 12:25           ` Matt Fleming
     [not found]             ` <20151208122557.GA2518-mF/unelCI9GS6iBeEJttW/XRex20P6io@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-08 14:19               ` Borislav Petkov [this message]
     [not found]                 ` <20151208141946.GD27180-fF5Pk5pvG8Y@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-08 20:30                   ` Kees Cook
     [not found]                     ` <CAGXu5jKF3fVc5rsU=+jRcoBGB+ZkeHjF6mmSeJN0SoP-MpFGow-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-08 20:39                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2015-12-08 20:54                         ` Borislav Petkov
     [not found]                         ` <19122B57-8052-4A92-801E-03CC84E66F06-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-15  0:07                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-12-08 20:56                       ` Borislav Petkov

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