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From: Josh Triplett <josh-iaAMLnmF4UmaiuxdJuQwMA@public.gmane.org>
To: Matt Fleming <matt-mF/unelCI9GS6iBeEJttW/XRex20P6io@public.gmane.org>
Cc: "Josh Boyer"
	<jwboyer-rxtnV0ftBwyoClj4AeEUq9i2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>,
	"Môshe van der Sterre" <me-A/3C56C7qwM@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-efi-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-efi-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	"Linux-Kernel@Vger. Kernel. Org"
	<linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	"Colin Ian King"
	<colin.king-Z7WLFzj8eWMS+FvcfC7Uqw@public.gmane.org>,
	"Ricardo Neri"
	<ricardo.neri-calderon-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86/efi-bgrt: Switch all pr_err() to pr_debug() for invalid BGRT
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 16:13:41 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160430231341.GA18955@x> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160430223514.GP2839-mF/unelCI9GS6iBeEJttW/XRex20P6io@public.gmane.org>

On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 11:35:14PM +0100, Matt Fleming wrote:
> (Adding Colin and Ricardo)
> 
> On Wed, 27 Apr, at 01:23:55PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
> > 
> > How is an end user supposed to see such a message and report it to the
> > people that can fix it?  They can't.  So they report it in their
> > distributions bug tracker and it either gets closed as "yeah, firmware
> > sucks" or it sits there and rots in the hope that some day someone
> > will do something.
> > 
> > I understand where you're coming from in a pre-production, development
> > environment but to be quite clear that is not the default environment
> > Linux is run in most of the time.  If this were a kernel warning, that
> > could be fixed with a kernel patch, then maybe it would be worth it.
> > It isn't though.
> 
> If the error messages in the BGRT driver make it impossible for end
> users to achieve a pretty boot experience then I agree, that is a
> kernel bug. BGRT is an exception to the usual rule about complaining
> loudly when we encounter firmware bugs simply because we're dealing
> with UIs in this case.

Fine.  What's the highest priority message that will *not* cause splash
screens to go into text mode?  With the default boot argument of
"quiet", pr_notice or pr_info should still remain hidden, right?  So,
could we make these pr_notice, rather than pr_debug?  That way they'll
at least show up in logs, even though they don't show up on the console.

> That's not to say we should give up reporting these kinds of invalid
> table issues to firmware developers altogether. There are other means
> of doing it, and comprising the wants of many end users for the
> benefit of few firmware developers (relatively) is just not sensible.
> 
> Colin, Ricardo, I haven't checked recently, are there ACPI BGRT
> validations tests in FWTS and LUV? Josh (Triplett), BITS would seem
> like a very good place to include these tests since it already has a
> bunch of ACPI table checks.

BITS doesn't, but should; I've added it to the TODO list.

- Josh Triplett

      parent reply	other threads:[~2016-04-30 23:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-04-27 12:50 [PATCH] x86/efi-bgrt: Switch all pr_err() to pr_debug() for invalid BGRT Josh Boyer
     [not found] ` <1461761412-16046-1-git-send-email-jwboyer-rxtnV0ftBwyoClj4AeEUq9i2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-27 13:26   ` Môshe van der Sterre
2016-04-27 13:56     ` Josh Boyer
2016-04-27 14:57       ` Môshe van der Sterre
2016-04-27 15:20         ` Josh Boyer
     [not found]           ` <CA+5PVA51UZL3zkYgLAimnXcYQwNJ4h+zCqEt0XRp2UEHaV302g-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-27 17:05             ` Josh Triplett
     [not found]               ` <20160427170525.GA1965-rHrQKAUqdt9zQ5U6333jmjMJUdESFZ8XQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-27 17:23                 ` Josh Boyer
     [not found]                   ` <CA+5PVA7bsX9UTM6DCnhE0gHDumGTZgKDGNAgd-teCG8YCM5Nsg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-30 22:35                     ` Matt Fleming
     [not found]                       ` <20160430223514.GP2839-mF/unelCI9GS6iBeEJttW/XRex20P6io@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-30 22:42                         ` Colin Ian King
2016-04-30 23:13                         ` Josh Triplett [this message]

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