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From: Shawn Guo <shawn.guo@linaro.org>
To: Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>
Cc: Heinrich Schuchardt <xypron.glpk@gmx.de>,
	Atish Patra <atish.patra@wdc.com>,
	Ilias Apalodimas <ilias.apalodimas@linaro.org>,
	Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com>,
	Rob Clark <robdclark@gmail.com>,
	linux-efi <linux-efi@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jeffrey Hugo <jhugo@codeaurora.org>,
	Bjorn Andersson <bjorn.andersson@linaro.org>,
	Leif Lindholm <leif@nuviainc.com>,
	linux-arm-msm <linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] efi: stub: override RT_PROP table supported mask based on EFI variable
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 17:06:13 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210316090609.GB32651@dragon> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMj1kXHfo9AMZEw9btOPCzso85AS+gQdV5ycmyk8wcqfLaRn8Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 08:57:19AM +0100, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 at 08:52, Shawn Guo <shawn.guo@linaro.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 02:07:01PM +0100, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> > > On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 at 04:11, Shawn Guo <shawn.guo@linaro.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Mar 09, 2021 at 07:47:25PM +0100, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> > > > > On Tue, 9 Mar 2021 at 19:10, Rob Clark <robdclark@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > ...
> > > > > > fwiw, the valid use-case for ACPI boot on these things is for distro
> > > > > > installer.. it might not be the shiny accelerated experience, but you
> > > > > > want to be able to get thru the installer and then install updates to
> > > > > > get latest kernel/dtb/etc
> > > > > >
> > > > > > it is a small use-case, but kinda an important step ;-)
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > That is a fair point. However, as I understand it, we need this to work around
> > > > > - the need to pass efi=novamap
> > > > > - broken poweroff on Flex5g
> > > >
> > > > One more: broken EFI variable runtime services on all Snapdragon laptops
> > > >
> > > > It's been another pain of running debian-installer (d-i) on these
> > > > laptops, where EFI NV variables are just stored on UFS disk.  So after
> > > > Linux takes over the control of UFS, EFI NV variable runtime services
> > > > then become out of service.  Currently, we have to apply a hack [1] on
> > > > d-i grub-installer to get around the issue,  and it's been the only
> > > > remaining out-of-tree patch we have to carry for d-i.  With this nice
> > > > `OverrideSupported` support, we will be able to drop that hack
> > > > completely.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > So an installer either needs to set the EFI variable, or pass
> > > > > efi=novamap on the first boot. Note that there are no arm64 EFI
> > > > > systems known where efi=novamap causes problems. In fact, I would
> > > > > prefer to stop using SetVirtualAddressMap() altogether, as it does not
> > > > > provide any benefit whatsoever. So perhaps we should make efi=novamap
> > > > > the default and be done with it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Broken poweroff is hardly a showstopper for an installer, given that
> > > > > we cannot even install GRUB correctly.
> > > > >
> > > > > In summary, I am more than happy to collaborate constructively on this
> > > > > (which is why I wrote the patch), but I don't think we're at a point
> > > > > yet where this is the only thing standing in our way when it comes to
> > > > > a smooth out-of-the-box Linux installation experience.
> > > >
> > > > There might be more to be done for getting a smooth Linux installation
> > > > experience.  But IMHO, this `OverrideSupported` thing is definitely
> > > > a big step to that.
> > > >
> > >
> > > So the problem here seems to be that grub-install (or efibootmgr)
> > > tolerates efivarfs being absent entirely, but bails out if it exists
> > > but gives an error when trying to access it, right?
> >
> > Yes, with EFI variables runtime service marked as unsupported,
> > efibootmgr will just exit on efi_variables_supported() check [1] in
> > a way that its parent process, i.e. grub-install, doesn't take as an
> > error.  But otherwise, efibootmgr will go much further and exit with
> > a real error when trying to access efivars.
> >
> 
> OK, so I suggest we fix efibootmgr, by extending the
> efi_variables_supported() check to perform a GetVariable() call on an
> arbitrary variable (e.g., BootOrder),

Hmm, I'm not sure we should ask more from user space, as it's already
been doing the right thing, and efi_variables_supported() is proved to
work properly with any sane low-level software (kernel + firmware),
either EFI variables service is supported or not.  That said, IMHO,
right now the low-level software on Snapdragon laptops is insane, i.e.
the unsupported/broken EFI runtime services are not communicated to
user space properly in established way.

Shawn

> and treat EFI_UNSUPPORTED as a
> special case that means that carrying on is pointless.
> 
> (but someone please confirm that the snapdragon efi firmware does
> return EFI_UNSUPPORTED and not some other return value when calling
> GetVariable() from under the OS)

  reply	other threads:[~2021-03-16  9:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-03-06 11:35 [PATCH] efi: stub: override RT_PROP table supported mask based on EFI variable Ard Biesheuvel
2021-03-07 11:02 ` Shawn Guo
2021-03-08 13:34   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2021-03-09  3:22     ` Shawn Guo
2021-03-09  8:51       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2021-03-09 18:13       ` Rob Clark
2021-03-09 18:47         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2021-03-09 21:19           ` Rob Clark
2021-03-15  3:11           ` Shawn Guo
2021-03-15 13:07             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2021-03-16  7:42               ` Heinrich Schuchardt
2021-03-16  7:52                 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2021-03-16  8:04                   ` Ilias Apalodimas
2021-03-16  8:14                     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2021-03-16  8:27                       ` Ilias Apalodimas
2021-03-16  7:52               ` Shawn Guo
2021-03-16  7:57                 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2021-03-16  9:06                   ` Shawn Guo [this message]
2021-03-16  9:33                     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2021-03-17  6:36                       ` Shawn Guo
2021-03-17  6:58                         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2021-03-16  9:33                     ` Ilias Apalodimas
2021-03-16 13:25                       ` Heinrich Schuchardt
2021-03-16 14:06                         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2021-03-16 14:45                           ` Heinrich Schuchardt
2021-03-16 14:55                             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2021-03-16 16:06                               ` Heinrich Schuchardt

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