From: Colin Ian King <colin.king-Z7WLFzj8eWMS+FvcfC7Uqw@public.gmane.org>
To: Matt Fleming
<matt-mF/unelCI9GS6iBeEJttW/XRex20P6io@public.gmane.org>,
Josh Boyer
<jwboyer-rxtnV0ftBwyoClj4AeEUq9i2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
Cc: "Josh Triplett" <josh-iaAMLnmF4UmaiuxdJuQwMA@public.gmane.org>,
"Môshe van der Sterre" <me-A/3C56C7qwM@public.gmane.org>,
"linux-efi-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
<linux-efi-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
"Linux-Kernel@Vger. Kernel. Org"
<linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
"Ricardo Neri"
<ricardo.neri-calderon-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86/efi-bgrt: Switch all pr_err() to pr_debug() for invalid BGRT
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 23:42:42 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <572534E2.4010705@canonical.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160430223514.GP2839-mF/unelCI9GS6iBeEJttW/XRex20P6io@public.gmane.org>
On 30/04/16 23:35, Matt Fleming wrote:
> (Adding Colin and Ricardo)
>
> On Wed, 27 Apr, at 01:23:55PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
>>
>> How is an end user supposed to see such a message and report it to the
>> people that can fix it? They can't. So they report it in their
>> distributions bug tracker and it either gets closed as "yeah, firmware
>> sucks" or it sits there and rots in the hope that some day someone
>> will do something.
>>
>> I understand where you're coming from in a pre-production, development
>> environment but to be quite clear that is not the default environment
>> Linux is run in most of the time. If this were a kernel warning, that
>> could be fixed with a kernel patch, then maybe it would be worth it.
>> It isn't though.
>
> If the error messages in the BGRT driver make it impossible for end
> users to achieve a pretty boot experience then I agree, that is a
> kernel bug. BGRT is an exception to the usual rule about complaining
> loudly when we encounter firmware bugs simply because we're dealing
> with UIs in this case.
>
> That's not to say we should give up reporting these kinds of invalid
> table issues to firmware developers altogether. There are other means
> of doing it, and comprising the wants of many end users for the
> benefit of few firmware developers (relatively) is just not sensible.
>
> Colin, Ricardo, I haven't checked recently, are there ACPI BGRT
> validations tests in FWTS and LUV? Josh (Triplett), BITS would seem
> like a very good place to include these tests since it already has a
> bunch of ACPI table checks.
>
fwts does have a BGRT test, although it is fairly trivial:
http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/hwe/fwts.git/tree/src/acpi/bgrt/bgrt.c
Colin
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-04-30 22:42 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-04-27 12:50 [PATCH] x86/efi-bgrt: Switch all pr_err() to pr_debug() for invalid BGRT Josh Boyer
[not found] ` <1461761412-16046-1-git-send-email-jwboyer-rxtnV0ftBwyoClj4AeEUq9i2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-27 13:26 ` Môshe van der Sterre
2016-04-27 13:56 ` Josh Boyer
2016-04-27 14:57 ` Môshe van der Sterre
2016-04-27 15:20 ` Josh Boyer
[not found] ` <CA+5PVA51UZL3zkYgLAimnXcYQwNJ4h+zCqEt0XRp2UEHaV302g-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-27 17:05 ` Josh Triplett
[not found] ` <20160427170525.GA1965-rHrQKAUqdt9zQ5U6333jmjMJUdESFZ8XQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-27 17:23 ` Josh Boyer
[not found] ` <CA+5PVA7bsX9UTM6DCnhE0gHDumGTZgKDGNAgd-teCG8YCM5Nsg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-30 22:35 ` Matt Fleming
[not found] ` <20160430223514.GP2839-mF/unelCI9GS6iBeEJttW/XRex20P6io@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-30 22:42 ` Colin Ian King [this message]
2016-04-30 23:13 ` Josh Triplett
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