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From: Borislav Petkov <bp@suse.de>
To: Dov Murik <dovmurik@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: linux-efi@vger.kernel.org, Ashish Kalra <ashish.kalra@amd.com>,
	Brijesh Singh <brijesh.singh@amd.com>,
	Tom Lendacky <thomas.lendacky@amd.com>,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>,
	James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>,
	Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Andrew Scull <ascull@google.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	"Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
	Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>,
	Lenny Szubowicz <lszubowi@redhat.com>,
	Peter Gonda <pgonda@google.com>,
	Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>,
	James Bottomley <jejb@linux.ibm.com>,
	Tobin Feldman-Fitzthum <tobin@linux.ibm.com>,
	Jim Cadden <jcadden@ibm.com>,
	Daniele Buono <dbuono@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	linux-coco@lists.linux.dev,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 0/4] Allow guest access to EFI confidential computing secret area
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 17:33:12 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YjydSNnG6EJ1KWx0@zn.tnic> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220228114254.1099945-1-dovmurik@linux.ibm.com>

On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 11:42:50AM +0000, Dov Murik wrote:
> Confidential computing (coco) hardware such as AMD SEV (Secure Encrypted
> Virtualization) allows guest owners to inject secrets into the VMs
> memory without the host/hypervisor being able to read them.  In SEV,
> secret injection is performed early in the VM launch process, before the
> guest starts running.
> 
> OVMF already reserves designated area for secret injection (in its
> AmdSev package; see edk2 commit 01726b6d23d4 "OvmfPkg/AmdSev: Expose the
> Sev Secret area using a configuration table" [1]), but the secrets were
> not available in the guest kernel.
> 
> The patch series keeps the address of the EFI-provided memory for
> injected secrets, and exposes the secrets to userspace via securityfs
> using a new efi_secret kernel module.  The module is autoloaded (by the
> EFI driver) if the secret area is populated.

Right, so this thing.

Tom and I were talking about SEV* guest debugging today and I believe
there might be another use case for this: SEV-ES guests cannot find out
from an attestation report - like SNP guests can - whether they're being
debugged or not so it would be very helpful if the fact that a -ES guest
is being debugged, could be supplied through such a secrets blob.

Because then, when I'm singlestepping the guest with gdb over the
gdbstub, the guest could determine based on those guest-owner previously
injected secrets whether it should allow debugging or not.

And this is where your set comes in.

However, I'm wondering if - instead of defining your own secrets structs
etc - you could use the SNP confidential computing blob machinery the
SNP set is adding. In particular:

https://lore.kernel.org/all/20220307213356.2797205-30-brijesh.singh@amd.com/

And you're adding another GUID but maybe you could simply use the SNP
thing called EFI_CC_BLOB_GUID and mimick that layout.

That should unify things more. And then guest kernel code could query
the blob also for debugging policy and so on.

Thoughts, opinions?

-- 
Regards/Gruss,
    Boris.

SUSE Software Solutions Germany GmbH, GF: Ivo Totev, HRB 36809, AG Nürnberg

  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-03-24 16:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-02-28 11:42 [PATCH v8 0/4] Allow guest access to EFI confidential computing secret area Dov Murik
2022-02-28 11:42 ` [PATCH v8 1/4] efi: Save location of EFI confidential computing area Dov Murik
2022-02-28 11:42 ` [PATCH v8 2/4] virt: Add efi_secret module to expose confidential computing secrets Dov Murik
2022-03-01 12:24   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2022-02-28 11:42 ` [PATCH v8 3/4] efi: Load efi_secret module if EFI secret area is populated Dov Murik
2022-02-28 12:49   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-02-28 13:06     ` Dov Murik
2022-02-28 13:15       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-03-31  9:04         ` Dov Murik
2022-04-12 13:08           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-04-12 13:18             ` Dov Murik
2022-02-28 11:42 ` [PATCH v8 4/4] docs: security: Add secrets/coco documentation Dov Murik
2022-03-24 16:33 ` Borislav Petkov [this message]
2022-03-29 12:55   ` [PATCH v8 0/4] Allow guest access to EFI confidential computing secret area Dov Murik
2022-03-29 18:30     ` Borislav Petkov
2022-03-29 20:28       ` Dov Murik
2022-03-30  6:11         ` Dov Murik
2022-03-31  9:19           ` Borislav Petkov
2022-03-31 21:05             ` Dov Murik

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