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From: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
To: Javier Martinez Canillas <javierm@redhat.com>
Cc: "Ahmed S. Darwish" <a.darwish@linutronix.de>,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-efi <linux-efi@vger.kernel.org>,
	Brian Masney <bmasney@redhat.com>, Al Stone <ahs3@redhat.com>,
	Peter Robinson <pbrobinson@gmail.com>,
	Robbie Harwood <rharwood@redhat.com>,
	Peter Jones <pjones@redhat.com>,
	Alexander Larsson <alexl@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Halaney <ahalaney@redhat.com>,
	linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] efi: Allow to enable EFI runtime services by default on RT
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2022 09:42:46 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Ykas9iX/D3WURx8T@linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFOAJEeKNy0HW82W6HV_49d5sc5L0m62QDfY9qA1906_ZzGRYg@mail.gmail.com>

On 2022-04-01 00:19:57 [+0200], Javier Martinez Canillas wrote:
> > In case of (CONFIG_PREEMPT_RT=y && CONFIG_EFI_DISABLE_RUNTIME=n),
> > shouldn't we add a small message in the kernel log warning that EFI
> > runtime services are enabled for the RT kernel?
> >
> > In almost all HW, except custom ones with "verified" firmware, such a
> > warning would be useful... This is especially true since in the embedded
> 
> I considered that as well but was not sure about what that message should be.

This makes sense and we had this in the past but dropped it for some
reason.

> Since it will be printed even on systems whose EFI firmwares do not
> have such long call times as the ones described in the commit that
> disabled the runtime services for RT.
> 
> And in that case the warning may be misleading and make users believe
> that a problem exists, which might not be accurate.

Does this matter? The efi-rtc driver is known to cause latencies but it
does not happen if the driver is not used. The same is probably true for
efi-vars: It won't cause high latencies on _read_ but then a certain
number of bit flips during read _may_ lead to write+erase which will
cause higher latencies.
Having a warning at boot (similar to trace_printk's warning) with the
options listed that are known to case high latencies might be a help.
There are some options that nobody will argue about like LOCKDEP. Then
there are other like WATCHDOG or this one, where a debate might start ;)

> Best regards,
> Javier

Sebastian

  reply	other threads:[~2022-04-01  7:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-03-31 15:16 [PATCH v2] efi: Allow to enable EFI runtime services by default on RT Javier Martinez Canillas
2022-03-31 16:26 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-03-31 19:29   ` Ahmed S. Darwish
2022-03-31 22:19     ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2022-04-01  7:42       ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior [this message]
2022-04-01  8:32         ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2022-04-01  8:34           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-04-01  8:38             ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2022-04-01  9:05             ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2022-04-13 17:11               ` Ard Biesheuvel

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