From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
To: Matthew Garrett <mjg59-1xO5oi07KQx4cg9Nei1l7Q@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
Borislav Petkov <bp-Gina5bIWoIWzQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>,
Jiri Kosina <jkosina-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>,
Russ Anderson <rja-sJ/iWh9BUns@public.gmane.org>,
joeyli <jlee-IBi9RG/b67k@public.gmane.org>,
Matt Fleming
<matt-HNK1S37rvNbeXh+fF434Mdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>,
matt.fleming-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org,
linux-efi-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
x86-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org,
linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org>,
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>,
Andrew Morton
<akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [regression, bisected] x86: efi: Pass boot services variable info to runtime code
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 20:01:59 +0900 (PWT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.03.1306011956350.9068@pixel.linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130531143425.GA5850-1xO5oi07KQx4cg9Nei1l7Q@public.gmane.org>
On Fri, 31 May 2013, Matthew Garrett wrote:
>
> I agree that a revert is probably the right thing to do here, but the
> original patch was there to permit a more accurate calculation of the
> amount of nvram in use, not to provide additional debug information.
> Reverting it is going to differently break a different set of systems
So "differently break" doesn't matter, if it's old breakage, and people
thus don't really expect it to work. We need to fix bugs without *new*
breakage, and quite frankly, I have been distressed by hearing the EFI
"specifications" mentioned so many times in this thread.
Firmware specs are pure and utter garbage. They are irrelevant. Firmware
is buggy, and will always be buggy. The "spec" doesn't matter. We should
use firmware for loading the kernel, and as little else as humanly
possible.
I'm very disappointed in how the EFI code doesn't seem to understand that.
There's tons of these stupid EFI variable crap that simply shouldn't
matter. Quite frankly, we'd be better off ignoring as much of it by
default as at all possible. Exactly because the more of an EFI interface
we have, the more we open us up to th einevitable firmware bugs.
Anyway, I'm traveling with absolutely horrendous internet access, so can
somebody please send a description of the revert with the relevant
information, because I literally have a hard time extracting it all from
this thread because my email access is so slow and flaky... Make it easy
for me to do the revert with a good explanation message, please,
Linus
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-06-01 11:01 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-05-22 16:27 [regression, bisected] x86: efi: Pass boot services variable info to runtime code Russ Anderson
[not found] ` <20130522162747.GA20816-sJ/iWh9BUns@public.gmane.org>
2013-05-23 11:58 ` Matt Fleming
[not found] ` <20130523115801.GJ14575-HNK1S37rvNbeXh+fF434Mdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2013-05-23 20:32 ` Russ Anderson
[not found] ` <20130523203234.GD20913-sJ/iWh9BUns@public.gmane.org>
2013-05-24 7:43 ` Matt Fleming
[not found] ` <20130524074331.GL14575-HNK1S37rvNbeXh+fF434Mdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2013-05-24 11:09 ` Borislav Petkov
[not found] ` <20130524110911.GA32220-K5JNixvcfoxupOikMc4+xw@public.gmane.org>
2013-05-24 11:40 ` Matt Fleming
2013-05-24 16:11 ` Robin Holt
[not found] ` <20130524161111.GE3672-sJ/iWh9BUns@public.gmane.org>
2013-05-24 17:02 ` Russ Anderson
[not found] ` <20130524170214.GA30179-sJ/iWh9BUns@public.gmane.org>
2013-05-24 21:05 ` Dave Jones
[not found] ` <20130524210534.GA15466-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-05-27 4:27 ` joeyli
[not found] ` <1369628832.19026.22.camel-ONCj+Eqt86TasUa73XJKwA@public.gmane.org>
2013-05-27 4:32 ` joeyli
2013-05-28 2:43 ` Russ Anderson
2013-05-24 20:05 ` Russ Anderson
[not found] ` <20130524200539.GA3322-sJ/iWh9BUns@public.gmane.org>
2013-05-24 20:11 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-05-24 20:49 ` Russ Anderson
[not found] ` <20130524204937.GB3322-sJ/iWh9BUns@public.gmane.org>
2013-05-28 10:50 ` Matt Fleming
2013-05-28 10:53 ` Matt Fleming
2013-05-28 8:35 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-05-29 21:01 ` Russ Anderson
[not found] ` <20130529210115.GC28027-sJ/iWh9BUns@public.gmane.org>
2013-05-29 22:22 ` Jiri Kosina
[not found] ` <alpine.LRH.2.00.1305300018180.1111-1ReQVI26iDCaZKY3DrU6dA@public.gmane.org>
2013-05-29 22:46 ` Russ Anderson
[not found] ` <20130529224645.GA16582-sJ/iWh9BUns@public.gmane.org>
2013-05-29 22:53 ` Jiri Kosina
[not found] ` <alpine.LNX.2.00.1305300048520.30576-ztGlSCb7Y1iN3ZZ/Hiejyg@public.gmane.org>
2013-05-30 2:16 ` joeyli
[not found] ` <1369880172.17397.11.camel-ONCj+Eqt86TasUa73XJKwA@public.gmane.org>
2013-05-30 22:17 ` Russ Anderson
[not found] ` <20130530221737.GA11105-sJ/iWh9BUns@public.gmane.org>
2013-05-30 22:21 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-05-30 22:28 ` Russ Anderson
[not found] ` <20130530222836.GB11105-sJ/iWh9BUns@public.gmane.org>
2013-05-30 22:30 ` Jiri Kosina
[not found] ` <alpine.LNX.2.00.1305310029560.30576-ztGlSCb7Y1iN3ZZ/Hiejyg@public.gmane.org>
2013-05-31 2:17 ` Russ Anderson
[not found] ` <20130531021749.GA24287-sJ/iWh9BUns@public.gmane.org>
2013-05-31 3:28 ` joeyli
2013-05-30 22:32 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-05-31 2:54 ` Russ Anderson
2013-05-31 10:06 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-05-30 22:25 ` Jiri Kosina
[not found] ` <alpine.LNX.2.00.1305310023020.30576-ztGlSCb7Y1iN3ZZ/Hiejyg@public.gmane.org>
2013-05-31 10:12 ` Ingo Molnar
[not found] ` <20130531101250.GD30394-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-05-31 11:06 ` Jiri Kosina
[not found] ` <alpine.LNX.2.00.1305311259520.30576-ztGlSCb7Y1iN3ZZ/Hiejyg@public.gmane.org>
2013-05-31 11:40 ` Ingo Molnar
[not found] ` <20130531114037.GC7131-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-05-31 11:54 ` Josh Boyer
2013-05-31 12:30 ` Borislav Petkov
[not found] ` <20130531123015.GC17843-K5JNixvcfoxupOikMc4+xw@public.gmane.org>
2013-05-31 12:43 ` Ingo Molnar
[not found] ` <20130531124356.GA8212-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-05-31 14:34 ` Matthew Garrett
[not found] ` <20130531143425.GA5850-1xO5oi07KQx4cg9Nei1l7Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-05-31 14:42 ` James Bottomley
[not found] ` <1370011357.1913.15.camel-sFMDBYUN5F8GjUHQrlYNx2Wm91YjaHnnhRte9Li2A+AAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-05-31 14:45 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-05-31 14:48 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-05-31 15:43 ` Russ Anderson
[not found] ` <20130531154348.GA17145-sJ/iWh9BUns@public.gmane.org>
2013-05-31 16:28 ` Matthew Garrett
[not found] ` <20130531162815.GA8082-1xO5oi07KQx4cg9Nei1l7Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-05-31 17:35 ` James Bottomley
2013-05-31 22:57 ` Russ Anderson
[not found] ` <20130531225730.GB14752-sJ/iWh9BUns@public.gmane.org>
2013-05-31 22:59 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-05-31 23:30 ` Jiri Kosina
2013-06-01 0:03 ` Matthew Garrett
[not found] ` <20130601000311.GA15126-1xO5oi07KQx4cg9Nei1l7Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-01 4:20 ` Russ Anderson
[not found] ` <20130601042058.GB15199-sJ/iWh9BUns@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-01 4:41 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-06-01 11:01 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
[not found] ` <alpine.LFD.2.03.1306011956350.9068-OR3hLWCBCApQetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-01 14:40 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-05-30 2:38 ` joeyli
2013-05-23 22:23 ` Russ Anderson
[not found] ` <20130523222321.GB31880-sJ/iWh9BUns@public.gmane.org>
2013-05-24 7:45 ` Matt Fleming
[not found] ` <20130524074544.GM14575-HNK1S37rvNbeXh+fF434Mdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2013-05-29 20:16 ` Russ Anderson
[not found] ` <20130529201616.GB28027-sJ/iWh9BUns@public.gmane.org>
2013-05-31 14:41 ` H. Peter Anvin
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