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From: "Andy Lutomirski" <luto@kernel.org>
To: "Evgeniy Baskov" <baskov@ispras.ru>, "Ard Biesheuvel" <ardb@kernel.org>
Cc: "Borislav Petkov" <bp@alien8.de>,
	"Dave Hansen" <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"Peter Zijlstra (Intel)" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Alexey Khoroshilov" <khoroshilov@ispras.ru>,
	"Peter Jones" <pjones@redhat.com>,
	"Gerd Hoffmann" <kraxel@redhat.com>,
	"Limonciello, Mario" <mario.limonciello@amd.com>,
	joeyli <jlee@suse.com>,
	lvc-project@linuxtesting.org,
	"the arch/x86 maintainers" <x86@kernel.org>,
	linux-efi@vger.kernel.org,
	"Linux Kernel Mailing List" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-hardening@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 00/27] x86_64: Improvements at compressed kernel stage
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2023 14:23:39 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d575db7f-bad3-477e-a501-19d2d84527cd@app.fastmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cover.1678785672.git.baskov@ispras.ru>

On Tue, Mar 14, 2023, at 3:13 AM, Evgeniy Baskov wrote:
> This patchset is aimed
> * to improve UEFI compatibility of compressed kernel code for x86_64
> * to setup proper memory access attributes for code and rodata sections
> * to implement W^X protection policy throughout the whole execution 
>   of compressed kernel for EFISTUB code path. 

The overall code quality seems okay, but I have some questions as to what this is for.  The early boot environment is not exposed to most sorts of attacks -- there's no userspace, there's no network, and there is not a whole lot of input that isn't implicitly completely trusted.

What parts of this series are actually needed to get these fancy new bootloaders to boot Linux?  And why?

>
> Kernel is made to be more compatible with PE image specification [3],
> allowing it to be successfully loaded by stricter PE loader
> implementations like the one from [2]. There is at least one
> known implementation that uses that loader in production [4].
> There are also ongoing efforts to upstream these changes.

Can you clarify 

>
> Also the patchset adds EFI_MEMORY_ATTTRIBUTE_PROTOCOL, included into
> EFI specification since version 2.10, as a better alternative to
> using DXE services for memory protection attributes manipulation,
> since it is defined by the UEFI specification itself and not UEFI PI
> specification. This protocol is not widely available so the code
> using DXE services is kept in place as a fallback in case specific
> implementation does not support the new protocol.
> One of EFI implementations that already support
> EFI_MEMORY_ATTTRIBUTE_PROTOCOL is Microsoft Project Mu [5].

Maybe make this a separate series?

> 
> Kernel image generation tool (tools/build.c) is refactored as a part
> of changes that makes PE image more compatible.
>   
> The patchset implements memory protection for compressed kernel
> code while executing both inside EFI boot services and outside of
> them. For EFISTUB code path W^X protection policy is maintained
> throughout the whole execution of compressed kernel. The latter
> is achieved by extracting the kernel directly from EFI environment
> and jumping to it's head immediately after exiting EFI boot services.
> As a side effect of this change one page table rebuild and a copy of
> the kernel image is removed.

I have no problem with this, but what's it needed for?

>
> Memory protection inside EFI environment is controlled by the
> CONFIG_DXE_MEM_ATTRIBUTES option, although with these patches this
> option also control the use EFI_MEMORY_ATTTRIBUTE_PROTOCOL and memory
> protection attributes of PE sections and not only DXE services as the
> name might suggest.
>

> [1] 
> https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/893da11995f93a7ea8f7485d17bf356a@ispras.ru/
> [2] https://github.com/acidanthera/audk/tree/secure_pe

Link is broken

> [3] 
> https://download.microsoft.com/download/9/c/5/9c5b2167-8017-4bae-9fde-d599bac8184a/pecoff_v83.docx

I skimmed this very briefly, and I have no idea what I'm supposed to look at.  This is the entire PE spec!

  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-03-14 21:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-14 10:13 [PATCH v5 00/27] x86_64: Improvements at compressed kernel stage Evgeniy Baskov
2023-03-14 10:13 ` [PATCH v5 01/27] x86/boot: Align vmlinuz sections on page size Evgeniy Baskov
2023-04-05 17:13   ` Borislav Petkov
2023-04-08 15:03     ` Evgeniy Baskov
2023-03-14 10:13 ` [PATCH v5 02/27] x86/build: Remove RWX sections and align on 4KB Evgeniy Baskov
2023-04-05 17:40   ` Borislav Petkov
2023-04-06 11:42     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2023-04-08 15:05     ` Evgeniy Baskov
2023-03-14 10:13 ` [PATCH v5 03/27] x86/boot: Set cr0 to known state in trampoline Evgeniy Baskov
2023-04-05 17:54   ` Borislav Petkov
2023-04-08 15:09     ` Evgeniy Baskov
2023-03-14 10:13 ` [PATCH v5 04/27] x86/boot: Increase boot page table size Evgeniy Baskov
2023-03-14 10:13 ` [PATCH v5 05/27] x86/boot: Support 4KB pages for identity mapping Evgeniy Baskov
2023-03-14 10:13 ` [PATCH v5 06/27] x86/boot: Setup memory protection for bzImage code Evgeniy Baskov
2023-03-14 10:13 ` [PATCH v5 07/27] x86/build: Check W^X of vmlinux during build Evgeniy Baskov
2023-03-14 10:13 ` [PATCH v5 08/27] x86/boot: Map memory explicitly Evgeniy Baskov
2023-03-14 10:13 ` [PATCH v5 09/27] x86/boot: Remove mapping from page fault handler Evgeniy Baskov
2023-03-14 20:33   ` Andy Lutomirski
2023-03-15 13:25     ` Evgeniy Baskov
2023-03-14 10:13 ` [PATCH v5 10/27] efi/libstub: Move helper function to related file Evgeniy Baskov
2023-03-14 10:13 ` [PATCH v5 11/27] x86/boot: Make console interface more abstract Evgeniy Baskov
2023-03-14 10:13 ` [PATCH v5 12/27] x86/boot: Make kernel_add_identity_map() a pointer Evgeniy Baskov
2023-03-14 10:13 ` [PATCH v5 13/27] x86/boot: Split trampoline and pt init code Evgeniy Baskov
2023-03-14 10:13 ` [PATCH v5 14/27] x86/boot: Add EFI kernel extraction interface Evgeniy Baskov
2023-03-14 10:13 ` [PATCH v5 15/27] efi/x86: Support extracting kernel from libstub Evgeniy Baskov
2023-03-14 10:13 ` [PATCH v5 16/27] x86/boot: Reduce lower limit of physical KASLR Evgeniy Baskov
2023-03-14 10:13 ` [PATCH v5 17/27] x86: decompressor: Remove the 'bugger off' message Evgeniy Baskov
2023-03-14 10:13 ` [PATCH v5 18/27] tools/include: Add simplified version of pe.h Evgeniy Baskov
2023-03-14 10:13 ` [PATCH v5 19/27] x86/build: Cleanup tools/build.c Evgeniy Baskov
2023-03-14 10:13 ` [PATCH v5 20/27] efi: x86: Use private copy of struct setup_header Evgeniy Baskov
2023-03-14 10:13 ` [PATCH v5 21/27] x86/build: Add SETUP_HEADER_OFFSET constant Evgeniy Baskov
2023-03-14 10:13 ` [PATCH v5 22/27] x86/build: set type_of_loader for EFISTUB Evgeniy Baskov
2023-03-14 10:13 ` [PATCH v5 23/27] efi/libstub: Don't set ramdisk_image/ramdisk_size Evgeniy Baskov
2023-03-14 10:13 ` [PATCH v5 24/27] x86/build: Make generated PE more spec compliant Evgeniy Baskov
2023-03-14 10:13 ` [PATCH v5 25/27] efi/libstub: Use memory attribute protocol Evgeniy Baskov
2023-03-14 10:13 ` [PATCH v5 26/27] efi/libstub: make memory protection warnings include newlines Evgeniy Baskov
2023-03-14 10:13 ` [PATCH v5 27/27] efi/x86: don't try to set page attributes on 0-sized regions Evgeniy Baskov
2023-03-14 21:23 ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]
2023-03-14 23:20   ` [PATCH v5 00/27] x86_64: Improvements at compressed kernel stage Andy Lutomirski
2023-03-15  9:04     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2023-03-15 17:57     ` Peter Jones
2023-04-05 16:17       ` Borislav Petkov
2023-03-15 13:25   ` Evgeniy Baskov

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