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From: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
To: Tim Bird <tim.bird@am.sony.com>
Cc: Rob Landley <rob@landley.net>, Greg Ungerer <gerg@snapgear.com>,
	Sam Ravnborg <sam@ravnborg.org>,
	Leon Woestenberg <leon.woestenberg@gmail.com>,
	linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: cross-compiling alternatives (was Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s)...)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:50:31 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1213285831.26255.152.camel@pmac.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <48513F5A.6010008@am.sony.com>

On Thu, 2008-06-12 at 08:23 -0700, Tim Bird wrote:
> Rob Landley wrote:
> > However, having one or more full-time engineers devoted to debugging 
> > cross-compile issues is quite a high price to pay too.  Moore's law really 
> > doesn't help that one.
> > 
> > I'm not saying either solution is perfect, I'm just saying the "build under 
> > emulation" approach is a viable alternative that gets more attractive as time 
> > passes, both because of ongoing development on emulators and because of 
> > Moore's law on the hardware.
> 
> I agree with much that you have said, Rob, and I understand the argument
> for getting the most gain from the least resources, but I have a philosophical
> problem with working around the cross-compilation problems instead of fixing
> them in the upstream packages (or in the autoconf system itself).
> 
> Once someone fixes the cross-compilation issues for a package, they usually
> stay fixed, if the fixes are mainlined.

I don't think that's true, unfortunately. Autoconf makes it _easy_ to do
the wrong thing, and people will often introduce new problems.

If we just made people write portable code and proper Makefiles, it
would be less of an issue :)

-- 
dwmw2


  reply	other threads:[~2008-06-12 15:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 182+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2008-05-28 21:52       ` [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s), linux-embedded@vger list Rob Landley
2008-06-09 21:27         ` Leon Woestenberg
2008-06-10  3:53           ` Rob Landley
2008-06-10  4:30             ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-06-10  6:55               ` Rob Landley
2008-06-10  7:54                 ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-06-10  9:09                   ` Wolfgang Denk
2008-06-10 13:12                     ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-10 13:25                       ` Will Newton
2008-06-10 13:33                         ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-10 13:47                           ` Will Newton
2008-06-10 13:53                             ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-10 14:00                               ` Grant Likely
2008-06-10 14:01                             ` Wolfgang Denk
2008-06-10 14:29                               ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-11  5:34                             ` Rob Landley
2008-06-10 13:49                         ` Wolfgang Denk
2008-06-11  5:25                           ` Rob Landley
2008-06-12 18:18                             ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-12 18:55                               ` Wolfgang Denk
2008-06-12 20:55                                 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-15 21:48                               ` Rob Landley
2008-06-17 14:11                                 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-10 13:47                       ` Wolfgang Denk
2008-06-10 10:20                   ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-10 10:36                     ` Adrian Bunk
2008-06-10 10:50                     ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-06-11  5:28                       ` Paul Mundt
2008-06-10 17:36                   ` Tim Bird
2008-06-11  3:35                   ` Rob Landley
2008-06-11  5:47                     ` Greg Ungerer
2008-06-12  0:41                       ` Rob Landley
2008-06-12  7:55                         ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-12 15:23                         ` cross-compiling alternatives (was Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s)...) Tim Bird
2008-06-12 15:50                           ` David Woodhouse [this message]
2008-06-12 16:05                             ` Mike Frysinger
2008-06-12 16:08                               ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-12 16:15                                 ` Mike Frysinger
2008-06-12 16:12                               ` Robert P. J. Day
2008-06-13  0:25                                 ` Rob Landley
2008-06-13  1:22                                   ` Bill Gatliff
2008-06-13  6:55                                   ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-13 15:06                                     ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-13  7:04                                   ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-13 15:02                                     ` linux-embedded-owner
2008-06-13 17:00                                       ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-13 17:12                                         ` Bill Traynor
2008-06-13 18:44                                           ` Tim Bird
2008-06-13 18:55                                             ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-06-13 19:00                                             ` Bill Traynor
2008-06-13 19:43                                             ` Johannes Stezenbach
2008-06-13 17:30                                       ` Makefile debugger linux-embedded-owner
2008-06-13  8:50                                   ` cross-compiling alternatives Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-06-13  9:11                                     ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-13 14:51                                   ` cross-compiling alternatives (was Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s)...) Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-16  7:58                                     ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-16 16:00                                       ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-16 17:38                                         ` Adrian Bunk
2008-06-17 13:57                                           ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-13 11:14                                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2008-06-13 11:22                                 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-06-12 18:29                               ` Josh Boyer
2008-06-12 19:02                                 ` Mike Frysinger
2008-06-13 13:29                                   ` Josh Boyer
2008-06-13 13:59                                   ` Josh Boyer
2008-06-12 16:08                             ` Paul Mundt
2008-06-12 16:28                               ` Bill Gatliff
2008-06-12 16:31                                 ` Paul Mundt
2008-06-12 16:38                                   ` Mike Frysinger
2008-06-12 18:50                                     ` Bernhard Fischer
2008-06-12 17:14                                   ` Bill Gatliff
2008-06-12 17:22                                     ` Mike Frysinger
2008-06-12 17:23                                     ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-06-13 18:01                                     ` Rob Landley
2008-06-12 16:37                                 ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-12 17:01                                   ` Adrian Bunk
2008-06-12 17:19                                     ` Bill Gatliff
2008-06-12 17:17                                   ` Bill Gatliff
2008-06-13 11:15                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2008-06-13 11:17                                     ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-12 18:34                                 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-12 19:00                                   ` Bill Gatliff
2008-06-15 21:51                                   ` Rob Landley
2008-06-12 18:30                               ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-12 18:57                                 ` Wolfgang Denk
2008-06-12 16:23                             ` Tim Bird
2008-06-12 18:37                               ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-13 18:45                                 ` Robert Schwebel
2008-06-15 23:12                                   ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-16  8:02                                     ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-16  8:28                                       ` cross-compiling alternatives Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-06-16  9:25                                         ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-13  1:25                               ` cross-compiling alternatives (was Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s)...) Rob Landley
2008-06-13  1:28                                 ` Robert P. J. Day
2008-06-13  1:29                                 ` Mike Frysinger
2008-06-13  6:30                                   ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-13 18:51                                     ` Robert Schwebel
2008-06-13 22:25                                       ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-13 23:19                                         ` Robert Schwebel
2008-06-14  0:07                                           ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-14 11:26                                             ` Robert Schwebel
2008-06-16 11:39                                               ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-16 12:06                                                 ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-16 13:32                                                   ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-16 16:28                                                     ` Bernhard Fischer
2008-06-16 22:28                                                       ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-16 22:44                                                         ` Adrian Bunk
2008-06-16  5:11                                             ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-16 11:33                                               ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-16  8:33                                             ` cross-compiling alternatives Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-06-16 11:17                                               ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-16 11:43                                                 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-06-16  7:55                                           ` cross-compiling alternatives (was Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s)...) Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-16 15:15                                             ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-17  6:27                                               ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-17 13:46                                                 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-17 14:22                                                   ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-16  4:57                                         ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-16 11:44                                           ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-16  4:31                                       ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-16  8:13                                       ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-16  8:21                                       ` cross-compiling alternatives Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-06-13  3:11                                 ` cross-compiling alternatives (was Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s)...) Sam Ravnborg
2008-06-13 18:47                                   ` Robert Schwebel
2008-06-13  6:43                             ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-13  8:38                               ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-06-13  9:06                                 ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-13  9:12                                   ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-13  9:32                                     ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-13 15:28                                       ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-14  0:31                                         ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-16  4:23                                           ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-16 10:49                                             ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-16 11:09                                               ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-16 11:52                                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-16 11:59                                                   ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-16 16:43                                                   ` Bernhard Fischer
2008-06-13 10:03                                   ` cross-compiling alternatives Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-06-13 11:24                                     ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-13 13:17                                     ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-13 13:28                                       ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-06-13 13:40                                       ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-13 13:56                                         ` Matthieu CASTET
2008-06-13 14:41                                           ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-13 14:49                                             ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-13 14:51                                               ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-13 14:55                                       ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-13 15:16                                     ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-13 18:45                                       ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-06-13 19:10                                         ` Robert Schwebel
2008-06-16  4:08                                         ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-16  7:31                                           ` Peter Korsgaard
2008-06-16 14:33                                             ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-16 16:45                                               ` Bernhard Fischer
2008-06-13 19:14                                   ` cross-compiling alternatives (was Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s)...) Rob Landley
2008-06-13 15:25                               ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-12 18:25                         ` [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s), linux-embedded@vger list Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-12 21:11                           ` David VomLehn
2008-06-12 21:42                             ` James Chapman
2008-06-12 21:46                               ` Mike Frysinger
2008-06-12 21:53                                 ` Tim Bird
2008-06-12 21:56                                   ` Mike Frysinger
2008-06-13  8:39                                     ` James Chapman
2008-06-13  9:02                                       ` Daniel THOMPSON
2008-06-13 11:28                                         ` James Chapman
2008-06-12 22:02                                 ` Jim Freeman
2008-06-13 13:14                                   ` Samuel Robb
2008-06-13 14:36                                     ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-13 14:26                                   ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-13 22:24                               ` David VomLehn
2008-06-15 15:39                         ` Leon Woestenberg
2008-06-15 21:43                           ` Rob Landley
2008-06-23 17:22     ` Denys Vlasenko
2008-06-23 18:57       ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-06-23 19:12         ` Denys Vlasenko
2008-06-23 19:33           ` Sam Ravnborg
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     [not found]   ` <20080501104158.GM20451@one.firstfloor.org>
2008-06-23 17:28     ` Denys Vlasenko
2008-06-23 17:45       ` Adrian Bunk
2008-06-23 18:19         ` Denys Vlasenko
2008-06-23 19:05         ` Tim Bird
2008-06-25  9:50         ` James Chapman
2008-06-25 15:41           ` Adrian Bunk

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