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From: Rob Landley <rob-VoJi6FS/r0vR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
To: David Woodhouse <dwmw2-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: linux-embedded-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s), linux-embedded@vger list
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 16:52:47 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200805281652.47558.rob@landley.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1209582709.25560.441.camel-ZP4jZrcIevRpWr+L1FloEB2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>

On Wednesday 30 April 2008 14:11:49 David Woodhouse wrote:
> > There are simply already far too many of them and they make the
> > kernel harder and harder to change.
>
> I agree. And if we do want to pay attention to pure code size, there are
> other approaches -- like --gc-sections and/or building with '--combine
> -fwhole-program' which I was playing with for OLPC a while back. I must
> dust that off now that the GCC fixes should mostly have made it into
> current distributions.

I like simplicity.  I like _simple_.  Half my attraction to embedded systems 
is that they're simpler than big desktop systems where you have to figure out 
how udev interacts with dbus to figure out why knetworkmanager convinced 
Konqueror that your network doesn't exist when you can wget from the command 
line just fine...

I submitted a patch to remove the use of perl to build the linux kernel (which 
HPA added in 2.6.25) not because it affected the result, but because it 
unnecessarily complicates the build system.  (And perl tends to metasticize.  
Nothing says "maintainability" like perl...)

Yes, Perl was used for some debugging tools before, things like the 
check-patch script.  But until 2.6.25 you never needed Perl to configure and 
build a kernel...

Rob
-- 
"One of my most productive days was throwing away 1000 lines of code."
  - Ken Thompson.
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       reply	other threads:[~2008-05-28 21:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 182+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <87bq3rgq40.fsf@basil.nowhere.org>
     [not found]   ` <1209582709.25560.441.camel@pmac.infradead.org>
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2008-05-28 21:52       ` Rob Landley [this message]
2008-06-09 21:27         ` [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s), linux-embedded@vger list Leon Woestenberg
2008-06-10  3:53           ` Rob Landley
2008-06-10  4:30             ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-06-10  6:55               ` Rob Landley
2008-06-10  7:54                 ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-06-10  9:09                   ` Wolfgang Denk
2008-06-10 13:12                     ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-10 13:25                       ` Will Newton
2008-06-10 13:33                         ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-10 13:47                           ` Will Newton
2008-06-10 13:53                             ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-10 14:00                               ` Grant Likely
2008-06-10 14:01                             ` Wolfgang Denk
2008-06-10 14:29                               ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-11  5:34                             ` Rob Landley
2008-06-10 13:49                         ` Wolfgang Denk
2008-06-11  5:25                           ` Rob Landley
2008-06-12 18:18                             ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-12 18:55                               ` Wolfgang Denk
2008-06-12 20:55                                 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-15 21:48                               ` Rob Landley
2008-06-17 14:11                                 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-10 13:47                       ` Wolfgang Denk
2008-06-10 10:20                   ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-10 10:36                     ` Adrian Bunk
2008-06-10 10:50                     ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-06-11  5:28                       ` Paul Mundt
2008-06-10 17:36                   ` Tim Bird
2008-06-11  3:35                   ` Rob Landley
2008-06-11  5:47                     ` Greg Ungerer
2008-06-12  0:41                       ` Rob Landley
2008-06-12  7:55                         ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-12 15:23                         ` cross-compiling alternatives (was Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s)...) Tim Bird
2008-06-12 15:50                           ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-12 16:05                             ` Mike Frysinger
2008-06-12 16:08                               ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-12 16:15                                 ` Mike Frysinger
2008-06-12 16:12                               ` Robert P. J. Day
2008-06-13  0:25                                 ` Rob Landley
2008-06-13  1:22                                   ` Bill Gatliff
2008-06-13  6:55                                   ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-13 15:06                                     ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-13  7:04                                   ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-13 15:02                                     ` linux-embedded-owner
2008-06-13 17:00                                       ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-13 17:12                                         ` Bill Traynor
2008-06-13 18:44                                           ` Tim Bird
2008-06-13 18:55                                             ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-06-13 19:00                                             ` Bill Traynor
2008-06-13 19:43                                             ` Johannes Stezenbach
2008-06-13 17:30                                       ` Makefile debugger linux-embedded-owner
2008-06-13  8:50                                   ` cross-compiling alternatives Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-06-13  9:11                                     ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-13 14:51                                   ` cross-compiling alternatives (was Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s)...) Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-16  7:58                                     ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-16 16:00                                       ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-16 17:38                                         ` Adrian Bunk
2008-06-17 13:57                                           ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-13 11:14                                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2008-06-13 11:22                                 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-06-12 18:29                               ` Josh Boyer
2008-06-12 19:02                                 ` Mike Frysinger
2008-06-13 13:29                                   ` Josh Boyer
2008-06-13 13:59                                   ` Josh Boyer
2008-06-12 16:08                             ` Paul Mundt
2008-06-12 16:28                               ` Bill Gatliff
2008-06-12 16:31                                 ` Paul Mundt
2008-06-12 16:38                                   ` Mike Frysinger
2008-06-12 18:50                                     ` Bernhard Fischer
2008-06-12 17:14                                   ` Bill Gatliff
2008-06-12 17:22                                     ` Mike Frysinger
2008-06-12 17:23                                     ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-06-13 18:01                                     ` Rob Landley
2008-06-12 16:37                                 ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-12 17:01                                   ` Adrian Bunk
2008-06-12 17:19                                     ` Bill Gatliff
2008-06-12 17:17                                   ` Bill Gatliff
2008-06-13 11:15                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2008-06-13 11:17                                     ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-12 18:34                                 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-12 19:00                                   ` Bill Gatliff
2008-06-15 21:51                                   ` Rob Landley
2008-06-12 18:30                               ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-12 18:57                                 ` Wolfgang Denk
2008-06-12 16:23                             ` Tim Bird
2008-06-12 18:37                               ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-13 18:45                                 ` Robert Schwebel
2008-06-15 23:12                                   ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-16  8:02                                     ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-16  8:28                                       ` cross-compiling alternatives Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-06-16  9:25                                         ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-13  1:25                               ` cross-compiling alternatives (was Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s)...) Rob Landley
2008-06-13  1:28                                 ` Robert P. J. Day
2008-06-13  1:29                                 ` Mike Frysinger
2008-06-13  6:30                                   ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-13 18:51                                     ` Robert Schwebel
2008-06-13 22:25                                       ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-13 23:19                                         ` Robert Schwebel
2008-06-14  0:07                                           ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-14 11:26                                             ` Robert Schwebel
2008-06-16 11:39                                               ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-16 12:06                                                 ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-16 13:32                                                   ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-16 16:28                                                     ` Bernhard Fischer
2008-06-16 22:28                                                       ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-16 22:44                                                         ` Adrian Bunk
2008-06-16  5:11                                             ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-16 11:33                                               ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-16  8:33                                             ` cross-compiling alternatives Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-06-16 11:17                                               ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-16 11:43                                                 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-06-16  7:55                                           ` cross-compiling alternatives (was Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s)...) Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-16 15:15                                             ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-17  6:27                                               ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-17 13:46                                                 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-17 14:22                                                   ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-16  4:57                                         ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-16 11:44                                           ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-16  4:31                                       ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-16  8:13                                       ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-16  8:21                                       ` cross-compiling alternatives Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-06-13  3:11                                 ` cross-compiling alternatives (was Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s)...) Sam Ravnborg
2008-06-13 18:47                                   ` Robert Schwebel
2008-06-13  6:43                             ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-13  8:38                               ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-06-13  9:06                                 ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-13  9:12                                   ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-13  9:32                                     ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-13 15:28                                       ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-14  0:31                                         ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-16  4:23                                           ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-16 10:49                                             ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-16 11:09                                               ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-16 11:52                                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-16 11:59                                                   ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-16 16:43                                                   ` Bernhard Fischer
2008-06-13 10:03                                   ` cross-compiling alternatives Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-06-13 11:24                                     ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-13 13:17                                     ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-13 13:28                                       ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-06-13 13:40                                       ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-13 13:56                                         ` Matthieu CASTET
2008-06-13 14:41                                           ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-13 14:49                                             ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-13 14:51                                               ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-13 14:55                                       ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-13 15:16                                     ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-13 18:45                                       ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-06-13 19:10                                         ` Robert Schwebel
2008-06-16  4:08                                         ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-16  7:31                                           ` Peter Korsgaard
2008-06-16 14:33                                             ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-16 16:45                                               ` Bernhard Fischer
2008-06-13 19:14                                   ` cross-compiling alternatives (was Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s)...) Rob Landley
2008-06-13 15:25                               ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-12 18:25                         ` [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s), linux-embedded@vger list Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-12 21:11                           ` David VomLehn
2008-06-12 21:42                             ` James Chapman
2008-06-12 21:46                               ` Mike Frysinger
2008-06-12 21:53                                 ` Tim Bird
2008-06-12 21:56                                   ` Mike Frysinger
2008-06-13  8:39                                     ` James Chapman
2008-06-13  9:02                                       ` Daniel THOMPSON
2008-06-13 11:28                                         ` James Chapman
2008-06-12 22:02                                 ` Jim Freeman
2008-06-13 13:14                                   ` Samuel Robb
2008-06-13 14:36                                     ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-13 14:26                                   ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-13 22:24                               ` David VomLehn
2008-06-15 15:39                         ` Leon Woestenberg
2008-06-15 21:43                           ` Rob Landley
2008-06-23 17:22     ` Denys Vlasenko
2008-06-23 18:57       ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-06-23 19:12         ` Denys Vlasenko
2008-06-23 19:33           ` Sam Ravnborg
     [not found] ` <1209636171.25560.508.camel@pmac.infradead.org>
     [not found]   ` <20080501104158.GM20451@one.firstfloor.org>
2008-06-23 17:28     ` Denys Vlasenko
2008-06-23 17:45       ` Adrian Bunk
2008-06-23 18:19         ` Denys Vlasenko
2008-06-23 19:05         ` Tim Bird
2008-06-25  9:50         ` James Chapman
2008-06-25 15:41           ` Adrian Bunk

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