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From: "Jörn Engel" <joern@logfs.org>
To: Tim Bird <tim.bird@am.sony.com>
Cc: Adrian Bunk <bunk@kernel.org>, Sam Ravnborg <sam@ravnborg.org>,
	linux-tiny <Linux-tiny@selenic.com>,
	linux-embedded <linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] console - Add configurable support for console charset translation
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 08:55:57 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080605065557.GC17037@logfs.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4846FE3E.4020508@am.sony.com>

On Wed, 4 June 2008 13:42:38 -0700, Tim Bird wrote:
> Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > I might be wrong, but although monitoring the size makes a lot of sense
> > I don't believe "fully automate the testing ... and send notifications" 
> > will work.
> 
> "fully automate" was sloppy wording on my part.  "automate enough
> to not be a burden to maintain" is what I should have said.

Even that blows.  People all too easily forget about the end-to-end
principle.  If you want a system that scales well, you have to push as
much work as possible to the ends and do as little as possible in the
center.  Applies here as well as in networking.

If CELF funds 20 people to do such tests, they may be able to cope
today.  But the stream of developers keeps swelling, so even those 20
won't be able to cope long-term.  Instead we have to enable everyone in
the stream of developers to easily check for themselves.  If then stream
keeps swelling, the amount of bloat-checking swells along.

What scales well is the "make check*" targets in the source.  Some even
claim it scales too well and attracts too many clueless janitors.  I'd
be happy if we ever get into the same trouble with bloat checking. ;)


Jörn

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Das Aufregende am Schreiben ist es, eine Ordnung zu schaffen, wo
vorher keine existiert hat.
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  reply	other threads:[~2008-06-05  6:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-06-02 22:37 [PATCH] console - Add configurable support for console charset translation Tim Bird
2008-06-03  1:34 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-06-03  7:00   ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-03 15:46   ` Matt Mackall
2008-06-03 21:31     ` Rob Landley
2008-06-03 22:37       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-06-04  2:56         ` Paul Mundt
2008-06-04 17:36           ` Rob Landley
2008-06-04 17:42             ` Bill Gatliff
2008-06-04 18:55               ` Rob Landley
2008-06-04 19:05                 ` Bill Gatliff
2008-06-05  0:46             ` Paul Mundt
2008-06-05 23:35               ` Rob Landley
2008-06-07  3:35                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-06-09 11:38                   ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-09 11:51                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2008-06-04 17:34         ` Rob Landley
2008-06-03  8:36 ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-03 13:45 ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-03 14:06   ` Holger Schurig
2008-06-03 14:10     ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-04  0:01   ` Tim Bird
2008-06-04  0:16     ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-04  1:03       ` Josh Boyer
2008-06-04  1:05         ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-04  3:13           ` Josh Boyer
2008-06-04  9:16             ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-04 10:07               ` Adrian Bunk
2008-06-04 10:10                 ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-04 15:35       ` Tim Bird
2008-06-04 11:55     ` Alan Cox
2008-06-04 13:55       ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-04 14:07         ` Alan Cox
2008-06-04 14:27           ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-03 21:18 ` Rob Landley
2008-06-03 21:26   ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-03 21:30   ` Matt Mackall
2008-06-04  7:02     ` Holger Schurig
2008-06-04  7:04     ` Holger Schurig
2008-06-04  7:36       ` Dave Hylands
2008-06-04 15:24         ` Randy Dunlap
2008-06-04 17:19       ` Rob Landley
2008-06-04 17:26         ` linux-embedded archives [was Re: [PATCH] console - Add configurable support for console charset translation] T Ziomek
2008-06-04 18:08           ` Rob Landley
2008-06-04 10:33 ` [PATCH] console - Add configurable support for console charset translation Adrian Bunk
2008-06-04 17:51   ` Rob Landley
2008-06-04 18:34   ` Bernhard Fischer
2008-06-04 19:01     ` Adrian Bunk
2008-06-04 19:21       ` Bernhard Fischer
2008-06-04 19:20         ` Alan Cox
2008-06-04 18:51   ` Tim Bird
2008-06-04 19:15     ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-06-04 19:23       ` Tim Bird
2008-06-04 20:23         ` Adrian Bunk
2008-06-04 20:42           ` Tim Bird
2008-06-05  6:55             ` Jörn Engel [this message]
2008-06-05  7:18           ` Uwe Klein
2008-06-04 20:24       ` Jörn Engel
2008-06-04 19:40     ` Adrian Bunk
2008-06-06 23:47       ` Tim Bird
2008-06-07  4:29         ` Rob Landley
2008-06-10  1:37           ` mainlining min-configs Tim Bird
2008-06-10  3:14             ` Ben Nizette
2008-06-10  4:16               ` Paul Mundt
2008-06-10  8:36             ` Adrian Bunk
2008-06-10 18:18               ` Tim Bird
2008-06-10 18:30                 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-06-10 18:51                   ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-06-10 19:05                     ` Adrian Bunk
2008-06-11  5:09                     ` Rob Landley
2008-06-11  6:39                       ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-06-11 19:09                         ` Tim Bird
2008-06-11 19:22                           ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-06-11 19:36                           ` Adrian Bunk
2008-06-11 19:46                             ` Tim Bird
2008-06-12  1:42                               ` Rob Landley
2008-06-11 19:48                             ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-06-12  0:01                           ` Rob Landley
2008-06-11  5:17                   ` Rob Landley
2008-06-11  5:51                 ` Rob Landley
2008-06-11  3:48               ` Rob Landley
2008-06-11  3:32             ` Rob Landley
2008-06-11  8:59             ` Christian MICHON
2008-06-04 19:42     ` [PATCH] console - Add configurable support for console charset translation Bernhard Fischer
2008-06-11  7:08   ` Holger Schurig

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