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From: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: Rob Landley <rob@landley.net>, Paul Mundt <lethal@linux-sh.org>,
	linux-embedded <linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] console - Add configurable support for console charset translation
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 12:38:56 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080609113856.GD25541@shareable.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <484A0207.4000405@zytor.com>

H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> >When you imply it's stupid to think anyone will ever have a console on an 
> >embedded system (because we all know the embedded world is far more 
> >uniform than crazy diverse things like the desktop space), which of these 
> >are _you_ referring to?
> 
> I'm talking about the virtual console stuff, which is *not* inherently 
> tied to VGA.
> 
> The issue is whether it makes sense to have virtual console capability 
> on a device which is so constrained that you want a *subset* of the 
> functionality in place.

The uClinux devices I ship do have that.  System console is the serial
port on a board header.  But field engineers are instructed to plug in
a USB keyboard and Alt-F2 to get a diagnostic screen (we call it a
"shell" ;-).  Occasionally even customers with specific requirements
get to use that.

We had to patch the kernel to get the combination of virtual terminal
capability on a framebuffer, but system console messages not to the
framebuffer.  The uClinux (2.4.x) disables system console on a virtual
terminal, but due to some confusion(*), it has the side effect that
you can't attach a VT to a framebuffer at all.  Several howtos provide
a "con2fb" program which didn't work with uClinux.  We had to fix that.

(*) - the word "console" is used for four different concepts in the
kernel, sometimes in the same code, and it seems to have confused
someone.(**)  In the following, CONFIG_VT_CONSOLE should not control
take_over_console(); the two "console" are not the same concept:

#ifdef CONFIG_VT_CONSOLE
    take_over_console(&fb_con, first_fb_vc, last_fb_vc, fbcon_is_default);
#endif

(**) So I suggest using "virtual terminal" consistently in the code,
and when talking about them, would be an improvement.

-- Jamie

  reply	other threads:[~2008-06-09 11:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-06-02 22:37 [PATCH] console - Add configurable support for console charset translation Tim Bird
2008-06-03  1:34 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-06-03  7:00   ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-03 15:46   ` Matt Mackall
2008-06-03 21:31     ` Rob Landley
2008-06-03 22:37       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-06-04  2:56         ` Paul Mundt
2008-06-04 17:36           ` Rob Landley
2008-06-04 17:42             ` Bill Gatliff
2008-06-04 18:55               ` Rob Landley
2008-06-04 19:05                 ` Bill Gatliff
2008-06-05  0:46             ` Paul Mundt
2008-06-05 23:35               ` Rob Landley
2008-06-07  3:35                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-06-09 11:38                   ` Jamie Lokier [this message]
2008-06-09 11:51                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2008-06-04 17:34         ` Rob Landley
2008-06-03  8:36 ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-03 13:45 ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-03 14:06   ` Holger Schurig
2008-06-03 14:10     ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-04  0:01   ` Tim Bird
2008-06-04  0:16     ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-04  1:03       ` Josh Boyer
2008-06-04  1:05         ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-04  3:13           ` Josh Boyer
2008-06-04  9:16             ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-04 10:07               ` Adrian Bunk
2008-06-04 10:10                 ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-04 15:35       ` Tim Bird
2008-06-04 11:55     ` Alan Cox
2008-06-04 13:55       ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-04 14:07         ` Alan Cox
2008-06-04 14:27           ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-03 21:18 ` Rob Landley
2008-06-03 21:26   ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-03 21:30   ` Matt Mackall
2008-06-04  7:02     ` Holger Schurig
2008-06-04  7:04     ` Holger Schurig
2008-06-04  7:36       ` Dave Hylands
2008-06-04 15:24         ` Randy Dunlap
2008-06-04 17:19       ` Rob Landley
2008-06-04 17:26         ` linux-embedded archives [was Re: [PATCH] console - Add configurable support for console charset translation] T Ziomek
2008-06-04 18:08           ` Rob Landley
2008-06-04 10:33 ` [PATCH] console - Add configurable support for console charset translation Adrian Bunk
2008-06-04 17:51   ` Rob Landley
2008-06-04 18:34   ` Bernhard Fischer
2008-06-04 19:01     ` Adrian Bunk
2008-06-04 19:21       ` Bernhard Fischer
2008-06-04 19:20         ` Alan Cox
2008-06-04 18:51   ` Tim Bird
2008-06-04 19:15     ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-06-04 19:23       ` Tim Bird
2008-06-04 20:23         ` Adrian Bunk
2008-06-04 20:42           ` Tim Bird
2008-06-05  6:55             ` Jörn Engel
2008-06-05  7:18           ` Uwe Klein
2008-06-04 20:24       ` Jörn Engel
2008-06-04 19:40     ` Adrian Bunk
2008-06-06 23:47       ` Tim Bird
2008-06-07  4:29         ` Rob Landley
2008-06-10  1:37           ` mainlining min-configs Tim Bird
2008-06-10  3:14             ` Ben Nizette
2008-06-10  4:16               ` Paul Mundt
2008-06-10  8:36             ` Adrian Bunk
2008-06-10 18:18               ` Tim Bird
2008-06-10 18:30                 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-06-10 18:51                   ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-06-10 19:05                     ` Adrian Bunk
2008-06-11  5:09                     ` Rob Landley
2008-06-11  6:39                       ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-06-11 19:09                         ` Tim Bird
2008-06-11 19:22                           ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-06-11 19:36                           ` Adrian Bunk
2008-06-11 19:46                             ` Tim Bird
2008-06-12  1:42                               ` Rob Landley
2008-06-11 19:48                             ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-06-12  0:01                           ` Rob Landley
2008-06-11  5:17                   ` Rob Landley
2008-06-11  5:51                 ` Rob Landley
2008-06-11  3:48               ` Rob Landley
2008-06-11  3:32             ` Rob Landley
2008-06-11  8:59             ` Christian MICHON
2008-06-04 19:42     ` [PATCH] console - Add configurable support for console charset translation Bernhard Fischer
2008-06-11  7:08   ` Holger Schurig

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