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From: Rob Landley <rob@landley.net>
To: Bill Gatliff <bgat@billgatliff.com>
Cc: linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: cross-compiling alternatives (was Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s)...)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:01:36 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200806131301.36729.rob@landley.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <48515978.8040603@billgatliff.com>

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On Thursday 12 June 2008 12:14:32 Bill Gatliff wrote:
> Paul Mundt wrote:
> > Yes, that's the easy case. It's things like perl that are the corner
> > cases, and my objection comes from the fact that people think we ought to
> > not have the kernel depend on perl rather than just fixing the package
> > itself. Autoconf/libtool damage is an entirely different problem :-)
>
> At first glance, it seems like checkincludes.pl could be duplicated by
> egrep | uniq | wc vs. egrep | wc.  Not quite sure what checkversion.pl is
> trying to do.

There's a difference between "this is a development tool used while modifying 
source code" and "this is needed to build".

There are situations where it's ok to have a dependency on X11/qt/gtk, such 
as "make xconfig".  This is _not_ the same as adding such dependency to "make 
modules".

So far, none of the perl dependencies prevent you from building the kernel on 
a system that didn't have perl (or didn't have the right version of perl).

> So maybe we could _reduce_ dependency on perl, if there's any advantage to
> gain by doing so.  But the kernel build machinery isn't dependent on very
> many other systems (just tcl, bash and gcc-core),

There's no tcl dependency in the build.  (Yes, I actually know this.)

Part of my FWL work involves getting the system to rebuild itself under 
itself.  (The packages you need to make a minimal self-bootstrapping system 
are gcc, binutils, make, bash, uClibc, linux, and busybox/toybox).  I'm seven 
commands away from doing this.

I know this because I made a horrible little wrapper (attached, it really is 
sad) which touched a file with the name it was called as and then exec()ed 
the actual executable out of another directory.  Then I populated a directory 
with symlinks to every executable in $PATH (for i in `echo $PATH | 
sed 's/:/ /g'`;do for j in `ls $i`; do ln -s $i/$j $j; done; done), and 
another directory of similar symlinks to my wrapper.  I then ran my build 
with that wrapper directory at the start of $PATH and let the wrapper 
populate a directory with all the executables that actually got called during 
the build.  Then I filled up a directory with those executables, tried to run 
the build, and figured out why it broke.  (The above approach won't find 
calls to /bin/bash and a few other things, but it's a good start.)

Most of the point of my ./host-tools.sh wrapper in the FWL build is to 
populate a directory with the command line utilities mini-native will have in 
it (specifically the busybox/toybox versions, not the ones in the host 
system), and set $PATH equal to that directory and only that directory.  This 
way I know the system will build under itself because that's how it's 
building in the first place.

Currently, I need to grab the following out of the host system:

for i in ar as nm cc gcc make ld   bzip2 find install od sort diff wget
do
  [ ! -f "${HOSTTOOLS}/$i" ] && (ln -s `which $i` "${HOSTTOOLS}/$i" || dienow)
done

The first seven are the needed bits of the host toolchain (you'd think "strip" 
would be in there, but it turns out those packages only ever use 
$TARGET-strip).  The last seven are the ones that are either missing or had 
various bugs in the version of busybox I'm using that prevented the build 
from working right.

Rob
-- 
"One of my most productive days was throwing away 1000 lines of code."
  - Ken Thompson.

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#include <stdio.h>
#include <string.h>
#include <stdlib.h>

#include <fcntl.h>

char blah[65536];

#define ROOTPATH "/home/landley/firmware/firmware"

int main(int argc, char *argv[], char *env[])
{
  char *p, *p2;

  int i, fd;

  p2 = strrchr(*argv, '/');
  if (!p2) p2=*argv;
  else p2++;

  p=blah + sprintf(blah, "%s ",p2);
  for (i=1; i<argc; i++) {
    p += sprintf(p, "\"%s\" ",argv[i]);
  }
  p[-1]='\n';

  // Log the command line

  fd=open(ROOTPATH "/loggy.txt",O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_APPEND,0777);
  write(fd, blah, strlen(blah));
  close(fd);

  // Touch the file that got used.

  sprintf(blah,ROOTPATH "/used/%s", p2);
  close(open(blah, O_WRONLY|O_CREAT, 0777));

  // Hand off control to the real executable
  sprintf(blah, ROOTPATH "/handoff/%s", p2);
  execve(blah, argv, env);

  // Should never happen, means handoff dir is set up wrong.
  dprintf(2,"Didn't find %s\n", *argv);
  exit(1);
}

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-06-13 18:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 182+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <1209577322.25560.402.camel@pmac.infradead.org>
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2008-05-28 21:52       ` [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s), linux-embedded@vger list Rob Landley
2008-06-09 21:27         ` Leon Woestenberg
2008-06-10  3:53           ` Rob Landley
2008-06-10  4:30             ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-06-10  6:55               ` Rob Landley
2008-06-10  7:54                 ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-06-10  9:09                   ` Wolfgang Denk
2008-06-10 13:12                     ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-10 13:25                       ` Will Newton
2008-06-10 13:33                         ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-10 13:47                           ` Will Newton
2008-06-10 13:53                             ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-10 14:00                               ` Grant Likely
2008-06-10 14:01                             ` Wolfgang Denk
2008-06-10 14:29                               ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-11  5:34                             ` Rob Landley
2008-06-10 13:49                         ` Wolfgang Denk
2008-06-11  5:25                           ` Rob Landley
2008-06-12 18:18                             ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-12 18:55                               ` Wolfgang Denk
2008-06-12 20:55                                 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-15 21:48                               ` Rob Landley
2008-06-17 14:11                                 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-10 13:47                       ` Wolfgang Denk
2008-06-10 10:20                   ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-10 10:36                     ` Adrian Bunk
2008-06-10 10:50                     ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-06-11  5:28                       ` Paul Mundt
2008-06-10 17:36                   ` Tim Bird
2008-06-11  3:35                   ` Rob Landley
2008-06-11  5:47                     ` Greg Ungerer
2008-06-12  0:41                       ` Rob Landley
2008-06-12  7:55                         ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-12 15:23                         ` cross-compiling alternatives (was Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s)...) Tim Bird
2008-06-12 15:50                           ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-12 16:05                             ` Mike Frysinger
2008-06-12 16:08                               ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-12 16:15                                 ` Mike Frysinger
2008-06-12 16:12                               ` Robert P. J. Day
2008-06-13  0:25                                 ` Rob Landley
2008-06-13  1:22                                   ` Bill Gatliff
2008-06-13  6:55                                   ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-13 15:06                                     ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-13  7:04                                   ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-13 15:02                                     ` linux-embedded-owner
2008-06-13 17:00                                       ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-13 17:12                                         ` Bill Traynor
2008-06-13 18:44                                           ` Tim Bird
2008-06-13 18:55                                             ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-06-13 19:00                                             ` Bill Traynor
2008-06-13 19:43                                             ` Johannes Stezenbach
2008-06-13 17:30                                       ` Makefile debugger linux-embedded-owner
2008-06-13  8:50                                   ` cross-compiling alternatives Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-06-13  9:11                                     ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-13 14:51                                   ` cross-compiling alternatives (was Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s)...) Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-16  7:58                                     ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-16 16:00                                       ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-16 17:38                                         ` Adrian Bunk
2008-06-17 13:57                                           ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-13 11:14                                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2008-06-13 11:22                                 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-06-12 18:29                               ` Josh Boyer
2008-06-12 19:02                                 ` Mike Frysinger
2008-06-13 13:29                                   ` Josh Boyer
2008-06-13 13:59                                   ` Josh Boyer
2008-06-12 16:08                             ` Paul Mundt
2008-06-12 16:28                               ` Bill Gatliff
2008-06-12 16:31                                 ` Paul Mundt
2008-06-12 16:38                                   ` Mike Frysinger
2008-06-12 18:50                                     ` Bernhard Fischer
2008-06-12 17:14                                   ` Bill Gatliff
2008-06-12 17:22                                     ` Mike Frysinger
2008-06-12 17:23                                     ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-06-13 18:01                                     ` Rob Landley [this message]
2008-06-12 16:37                                 ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-12 17:01                                   ` Adrian Bunk
2008-06-12 17:19                                     ` Bill Gatliff
2008-06-12 17:17                                   ` Bill Gatliff
2008-06-13 11:15                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2008-06-13 11:17                                     ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-12 18:34                                 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-12 19:00                                   ` Bill Gatliff
2008-06-15 21:51                                   ` Rob Landley
2008-06-12 18:30                               ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-12 18:57                                 ` Wolfgang Denk
2008-06-12 16:23                             ` Tim Bird
2008-06-12 18:37                               ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-13 18:45                                 ` Robert Schwebel
2008-06-15 23:12                                   ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-16  8:02                                     ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-16  8:28                                       ` cross-compiling alternatives Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-06-16  9:25                                         ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-13  1:25                               ` cross-compiling alternatives (was Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s)...) Rob Landley
2008-06-13  1:28                                 ` Robert P. J. Day
2008-06-13  1:29                                 ` Mike Frysinger
2008-06-13  6:30                                   ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-13 18:51                                     ` Robert Schwebel
2008-06-13 22:25                                       ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-13 23:19                                         ` Robert Schwebel
2008-06-14  0:07                                           ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-14 11:26                                             ` Robert Schwebel
2008-06-16 11:39                                               ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-16 12:06                                                 ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-16 13:32                                                   ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-16 16:28                                                     ` Bernhard Fischer
2008-06-16 22:28                                                       ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-16 22:44                                                         ` Adrian Bunk
2008-06-16  5:11                                             ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-16 11:33                                               ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-16  8:33                                             ` cross-compiling alternatives Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-06-16 11:17                                               ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-16 11:43                                                 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-06-16  7:55                                           ` cross-compiling alternatives (was Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s)...) Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-16 15:15                                             ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-17  6:27                                               ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-17 13:46                                                 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-17 14:22                                                   ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-16  4:57                                         ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-16 11:44                                           ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-16  4:31                                       ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-16  8:13                                       ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-16  8:21                                       ` cross-compiling alternatives Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-06-13  3:11                                 ` cross-compiling alternatives (was Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s)...) Sam Ravnborg
2008-06-13 18:47                                   ` Robert Schwebel
2008-06-13  6:43                             ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-13  8:38                               ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-06-13  9:06                                 ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-13  9:12                                   ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-13  9:32                                     ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-13 15:28                                       ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-14  0:31                                         ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-16  4:23                                           ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-16 10:49                                             ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-16 11:09                                               ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-16 11:52                                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-16 11:59                                                   ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-16 16:43                                                   ` Bernhard Fischer
2008-06-13 10:03                                   ` cross-compiling alternatives Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-06-13 11:24                                     ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-13 13:17                                     ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-13 13:28                                       ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-06-13 13:40                                       ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-13 13:56                                         ` Matthieu CASTET
2008-06-13 14:41                                           ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-13 14:49                                             ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-13 14:51                                               ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-13 14:55                                       ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-13 15:16                                     ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-13 18:45                                       ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-06-13 19:10                                         ` Robert Schwebel
2008-06-16  4:08                                         ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-16  7:31                                           ` Peter Korsgaard
2008-06-16 14:33                                             ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-16 16:45                                               ` Bernhard Fischer
2008-06-13 19:14                                   ` cross-compiling alternatives (was Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s)...) Rob Landley
2008-06-13 15:25                               ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-12 18:25                         ` [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s), linux-embedded@vger list Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-12 21:11                           ` David VomLehn
2008-06-12 21:42                             ` James Chapman
2008-06-12 21:46                               ` Mike Frysinger
2008-06-12 21:53                                 ` Tim Bird
2008-06-12 21:56                                   ` Mike Frysinger
2008-06-13  8:39                                     ` James Chapman
2008-06-13  9:02                                       ` Daniel THOMPSON
2008-06-13 11:28                                         ` James Chapman
2008-06-12 22:02                                 ` Jim Freeman
2008-06-13 13:14                                   ` Samuel Robb
2008-06-13 14:36                                     ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-13 14:26                                   ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-13 22:24                               ` David VomLehn
2008-06-15 15:39                         ` Leon Woestenberg
2008-06-15 21:43                           ` Rob Landley
2008-06-23 17:22     ` Denys Vlasenko
2008-06-23 18:57       ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-06-23 19:12         ` Denys Vlasenko
2008-06-23 19:33           ` Sam Ravnborg
     [not found] ` <1209636171.25560.508.camel@pmac.infradead.org>
     [not found]   ` <20080501104158.GM20451@one.firstfloor.org>
2008-06-23 17:28     ` Denys Vlasenko
2008-06-23 17:45       ` Adrian Bunk
2008-06-23 18:19         ` Denys Vlasenko
2008-06-23 19:05         ` Tim Bird
2008-06-25  9:50         ` James Chapman
2008-06-25 15:41           ` Adrian Bunk

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